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welcome everybody to a very special

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episode of summer in the skies where we

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all should know this by now we do a very

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this is our somewhere in the spooky

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and today we're going to be talking

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about something that we have never

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talked about on the show before

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and that is witches and witchcraft and i

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thought who better than someone

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who is actually a practitioner of

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witchcraft

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but so so much more she's involved with

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some incredible organizations

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she does all types of magic everything

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uncharted territories today and i could

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be more excited about that with our very

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sarah lyons sarah thank you so much for

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having me on ryan this is awesome

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yeah this is gonna be fun again this is

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uh foreign to so forgive me if i'm

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super 101 on you here um the only thing

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is probably from wicked uh to be honest

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origin story comic book time i have to

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how how did this all come to be you're

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us are but yeah

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how'd you get involved with witchcraft

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when did this all start

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you don't i love i love giving my

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villain origin story so

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legends and folklore and

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believed in this stuff like i really

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practices that i was brought up being

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catholic and that kind of thing

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these people were talking about being

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witches and practicing spells and doing

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everything that i could

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about wicca and witchcraft and it was

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the rest is history as they say um i no

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longer consider myself wiccan i feel

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my foot in the door like with a lot of

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very seasonally based economy

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of living with natural rhythms

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initial grasp of what all of this was

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magic and occultism and that kind of

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in your life and i've always really

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environment and everything because this

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a broomstick and

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archetypes that we've sort of you know

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astrological magic to kind of work

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roses which you can also see

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behind me um here and

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yeah i do that um that's what i those

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are my like weekly

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daily weekly practices if you will for

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each

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because i'm trying to give it a

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different form of remediation i'll

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typically do something different that

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matches that planet or

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something like that so for me i have a

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um

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i have a really powerful sun placement

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because i have sun in leo

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which you also have uh and that's like

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where the sun is happy is to be because

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the sun rules leo it's the only planet

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that uh

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that's the only planet that the sun

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rules or the only sign that the sun

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rules

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so it's the happiest place for the sun

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to be but it's

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opposite my saturn which is just it

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sucks

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so for me like on sunday i'm trying to

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feed that and give that kind of ego a

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healthy place to go right

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uh same thing with like venus like i

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have kind of like it's like

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saturn is also um opposite my venus and

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i'm trying to like

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remedy that in some way and like feed

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that so

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those are the kind of other practices

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that i do and then from there on

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it's more based on what i need in the

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moment

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um yeah like if i need to do a spell for

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this or that

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that kind of just depends on when it

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comes up

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awesome well okay so i mean

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i mean i i as well grew up catholic and

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everything but like

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that was not my identity i wasn't like a

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catholic and that was my life so i i'd

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love to know

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um if you're willing to share as

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personal or not

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um as you'd like to get what what do you

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do other than when you're practicing

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witchcraft you live

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you live in new york city right mm-hmm

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yes oh cool yeah

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is there anything yeah well for me it's

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um

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spirituality kind of bleeds through a

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lot of my life so i'm not always doing

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witchcraft but

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magic and that kind of you know

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outlook on life that kind for me i

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consider myself an animist

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so to me that means being in kind of a

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living dialogue with the world around me

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and uh kind of embracing the high

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strangeness of life

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if you will so uh you know just kind of

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yeah like seeing seeing life as a

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conversation paying attention to signs

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and omens when they come your way

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synchronicities that kind of thing and

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uh so that doesn't stop that's the thing

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that i continue to do throughout the day

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throughout my life

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but uh in addition to that i also am an

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activist i'm an organizer with the

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democratic socialists of america

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uh i specifically work with the

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ecosocialist working group here in new

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york city

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i do see that as an extension of my

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spirituality because to me it's like i

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can't

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that that kind of stuff and then not

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kind of defend the earth when i feel

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like it's under attack so

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i do that i um i am a writer i

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have written a lot for vice and team

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vogue and kind of outlets like that i

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have my own book that i published um on

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witchcraft which i'm sure we're gonna

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get to later

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but um yeah and um then you know i'm

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just a 20-something gal in the big city

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trying to have it all

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right yep me too me too i'm just a big

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gal in new york myself yeah

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um so for those who see this background

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image we have this is from the

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cover of your book which i absolutely

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adore um it's such a cool cover but it

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says so much in the symbology in there

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as well

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so i want to cover that with you uh

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revolutionary witchcraft a guide to

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magical

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activism um i i just finished reading it

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it was so good

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i feel like i'm ready to get out there

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and really uh

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get things going and um in in many ways

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in many ways but uh in the introduction

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of course you know gotta start with that

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witchcraft is the earth's

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immune system kicking in in the last

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moment

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what does this mean so yeah this is

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something i actually think

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that we can dive into a lot here because

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um a lot of people

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typically a big thing that i get asked

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in interviews is why is witchcraft so

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big now

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why is everyone getting into witchcraft

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and you know i think that there's a

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there's material

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answers that i can give you know i can i

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can look at

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socioeconomic

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uh reasons you can look at cultural

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reasons you can look at um there's a lot

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of historical things that we can dig up

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and i think that those are all good

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pieces of the puzzle and those are all

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true

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but for me it's also um

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i i'm like as an animist and as someone

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who

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isn't like 100 percent of materialist in

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these things

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i think that there is something to be

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said for the fact that we're in a

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liminal state

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in our like globally in a limitless

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state

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and uh i you know kind of like with the

431
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trickster in the paranormal and that

432
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kind of stuff

433
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i think that you know when obviously

434
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when you enter into a liminal state

435
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weird [\h__\h] starts to happen so i think

436
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that

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people are becoming more interested in

438
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witchcraft and magic and astrology

439
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for the same reason that we're seeing

440
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all these ufos all of a sudden and we're

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getting disclosure about ufos all of a

442
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sudden we're getting you know

443
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there's been a big uptick in people you

444
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know talking about stuff like bigfoot

445
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and people talking about

446
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uh cryptids and true crime and like all

447
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these weird all this weird stuff is

448
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happening at the same time

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and i think it's because we're kind of

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we're leaving one part

451
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of world history behind and we're

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entering into another part

453
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and the doorways are kind of open right

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now and all this weird [\h__\h] is coming

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out

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so on the witchy side of that i think

457
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it's because

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we're in a very crucial time for uh

459
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you know magic we're in a very close

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time for

461
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the life of the earth um we really don't

462
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have much longer to

463
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make significant changes in order to

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survive climate change

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uh i i mean that's kind of a whole

466
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nother dark conversation to get into

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right there

468
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but um you know witchcraft historically

469
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has always you know which trials have

470
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always come about from

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the early modern period up until today

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they always come about

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when there is a significant change to

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the land and to how people are regarding

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the land

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and that usually ends up being a

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reflected in treatment of women

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treatment of queer people treatment of

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trans people that kind of thing

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so um so for instance like the the

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witchcraft trials they were like

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of the early modern period which is like

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we can look at the middle ages but

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things didn't really start popping off

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until the 1500s

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and one of the big reasons i believe

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that is is because it was the first time

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in europe that land became privatized

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before that land was not a privatized

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thing um and this was for the first time

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ever land became something that you

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actually owned it wasn't a thing you

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inherited through some sort of familial

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thing it wasn't a land that you

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conquered

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or and were like certain you know a surf

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to a prince or a duke or something like

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that

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it was um now you could own a piece of

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land and that is like

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we we think of that as very obvious now

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but that was a radical change in human

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history that had never been done before

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in human history

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so once that happened people were really

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mad about it peasants were really bad

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because all of a sudden now

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you have to make money all the time

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because you have to pay taxes

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and deeds and uh make an income like a

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consistent income

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to a landlord which we still have today

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so

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love him or hate him yeah yeah people

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were not happy about this uh and people

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there was a lot of peasant rebellions a

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lot of these peasant rebellions were led

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by women

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because what this did was it immediately

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devalued

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uh female labor specifically because

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when you think about it

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if you like not to say that this is like

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a time we should return to

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right i want to not be reactionary with

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this but just to display how things got

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different

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um if you're a peasant you have a farm

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you're a homestead of some sort

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if there's a division of labor in that

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farm it's usually that like the males of

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the household are out cutting the wheat

533
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or uh you know doing husbandry like

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working with the animals

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and the women in the household are

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taking that those products and turning

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them into bread and turning them into

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beer and turning them into clothes that

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kind of stuff

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and um or just or just running the house

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keeping things clean

542
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cooking for the family uh you know

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raising the children that that kind of

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stuff

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that all gets completely demonetized so

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the

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sudden that's not valuable anymore

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because that's not making

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money it's the bread and it's the the

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grains and stuff that are making people

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00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:58,640
money

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so women all of a sudden whatever power

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they had in society

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completely gone and now it's like even

555
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:06,000
more so you have to become

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a wife you have to become married into

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a family of some sort because that's the

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only way that you make money

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right that's the only way that you can

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00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:16,160
survive now um there was even like

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doctor like female doctors and stuff

562
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:18,880
like that that just got

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kicked out of being doctors because that

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was just no longer a thing anymore

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00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:25,200
so um and in that witchcraft all of a

566
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:26,720
sudden becomes this hugely

567
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:29,919
problematic thing because witchcraft was

568
00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:33,120
very much like folk magic and witchcraft

569
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:34,400
two different things which we can get

570
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:36,480
into in a second but

571
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:40,240
um it's you know it's a way to

572
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,360
kind of how do i say this it's a it's a

573
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:45,039
very it was a very integral part of the

574
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,960
community like having a female doctor in

575
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:48,559
the town having a female

576
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:51,200
you know spiritual guide who kind of

577
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:51,919
knew like

578
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:54,720
like uh for instance my i have a friend

579
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,440
who's

580
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,760
uh great grandmother was sort of a

581
00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:59,600
modern version of this in her village in

582
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,240
italy

583
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:02,160
and people didn't call her a witch but

584
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,679
what they said is that she knew how to

585
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:05,200
say the prayers like she knew how to

586
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,280
pray for people and

587
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:09,600
it's that kind of knowledge that was

588
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,360
passed down for a long time but when you

589
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:15,280
that is like that butts up against so

590
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,640
much of what was

591
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:18,480
economically happening in europe about

592
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:20,400
the privatization of the land about the

593
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,960
uh industrialization of the land about

594
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:24,480
um the you know

595
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,520
pillaging of uh resources from

596
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:29,039
africa and north america and south

597
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:30,480
america all this stuff happening at the

598
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,280
same time

599
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:33,200
all of a sudden what that does is it

600
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:35,440
makes um you like all of a sudden you

601
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,559
can't have

602
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:38,400
uh certain days that you don't work

603
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:39,919
because that's not profitable all of a

604
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:41,440
sudden you can't have

605
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:44,480
uh magic because magic is

606
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,919
a weird thing that can't really be

607
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:47,840
controlled by the state if you can

608
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:49,440
if you can make things happen on your

609
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,440
own well that's a problem because we

610
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:53,280
need you to make stuff for us

611
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:56,799
um and additionally uh

612
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,000
you know the labor force is

613
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,400
made in the you know the female body or

614
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:04,080
what was then co-defined as the female

615
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:04,720
body

616
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:06,240
so women all of a sudden became

617
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:08,080
baby-making factories because

618
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,600
that was where the next workforce was

619
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,360
coming from and it's not really a

620
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,919
coincidence that there's um you know a

621
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:16,080
lot of the witches the witchy herbs and

622
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:17,679
a lot of the herbs that women were put

623
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:18,559
on trial for

624
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:21,520
for possessing or for using things like

625
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:22,320
pendane

626
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,440
or mugwort or um belladonna

627
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,840
these are all abortive herbs you know

628
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:29,200
there's there's magical

629
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:31,760
purposes to them but things like mugwort

630
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:32,240
uh

631
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:34,080
are like a way to induce a natural

632
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,440
abortion and

633
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:37,760
there's a lot of stuff going on there

634
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,559
about you know

635
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:40,000
that all of a sudden that really can't

636
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,760
happen anymore because we need work

637
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,120
because someone's got to fill up these

638
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:44,559
factories somebody's got to work the

639
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,280
land

640
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,200
uh and we can't have people not having

641
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,360
babies anymore we need babies

642
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:52,320
um so that's a lot but i think it's

643
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:53,280
important to

644
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,039
to look at the history of witchcraft

645
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:56,799
because this happens to this day like

646
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:57,679
when

647
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,240
new marketplace if you look at things

648
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,320
like in indonesia this happened uh in

649
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:05,919
the 60s i believe

650
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:08,400
uh that when there was kind of a

651
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,360
communist like

652
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,360
revolution that happened there that was

653
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,600
largely supported by the population

654
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:16,240
and there was a coup to kind of undo

655
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:16,799
that

656
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:24,960
were stealing men's penises and they

657
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,440
were

658
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,280
doing all this malefic magic and it's

659
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:28,720
like that's not true

660
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,360
but that happens every time this

661
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,600
economic system expands because it needs

662
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,080
that it needs that function it needs to

663
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,880
uh use witchcraft as kind of a way to

664
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,880
get rid of people and also

665
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,559
it's i think on the other side

666
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,080
witchcraft comes up because

667
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,840
it is the land fighting back it is the

668
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:47,360
land saying no you actually do have

669
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,919
power

670
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,440
and you should be using it right now

671
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,200
because i'm about to get very harmed

672
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:54,159
and that's going to harm you too so

673
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:54,880
interesting

674
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,240
yeah wow that is a lot to unpack

675
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:01,679
but no i i but it it makes sense

676
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,720
it seems that you know sort of the the

677
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,000
archetype of the witch

678
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:08,320
throughout history whether during the

679
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:09,600
trials or

680
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:12,720
or now in hollywood or pop culture

681
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,159
it's to strip that agency from

682
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:18,159
whatever movement the witch represents

683
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,600
at that time and it

684
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,679
that's that's it's incredible to see

685
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:22,960
that because again

686
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:25,600
my my understanding of all this comes

687
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:26,240
from

688
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:29,919
what we see in hollywood and and um

689
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,159
and stuff like that and it all seems to

690
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,559
be a way to sort of stamp down what the

691
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,880
the movement and the practice actually

692
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,679
represents

693
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,480
and um that's amazing well in terms of

694
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:41,520
that power

695
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:45,360
sarah um that that a practitioner can

696
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:48,320
can have and can harness um you did

697
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,679
mention in the book about

698
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,840
embracing your ancestors and how

699
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,280
important that is

700
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,760
to becoming a practitioner of something

701
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,440
like witchcraft or magic

702
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,600
and uh i never really thought of it that

703
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:01,280
way again i i feel like this is

704
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,159
something that

705
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,320
you kind of just decide to do and you do

706
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:06,559
it but your ancestry plays a large role

707
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,600
in that too would you mind

708
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,000
touching on that whole aspect of this

709
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,919
yeah so when i was writing the book i

710
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,480
was kind of

711
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,240
trying to think back to when i was first

712
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:16,720
getting into witchcraft and magic and

713
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:19,679
what kind of book i wanted to read and i

714
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,400
think

715
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:22,080
because i you know in writing this i was

716
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,120
like okay this is probably gonna be a

717
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,880
101 book like this is going to be a

718
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,240
book for people who maybe this is their

719
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,760
first book on magic or first book on

720
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:29,039
witchcraft

721
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,640
so i was trying to think back to when i

722
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,480
was younger and i was looking for my

723
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,200
first book on magic at witchcraft and

724
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,919
it uh when i was younger what i thought

725
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:38,720
i wanted

726
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:41,679
was a book with a bunch of spells and

727
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,880
demons and

728
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,320
spooky stuff like i thought i wanted the

729
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,640
key of solomon right and

730
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,159
that would have been fun but i wouldn't

731
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,520
have known what the [\h__\h] to do with it

732
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:50,880
can i swear on this podcast

733
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,000
absolutely [\h__\h] away like

734
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,919
like i swear like a [\h__\h] sailor okay

735
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,360
um but yeah i didn't know what to do

736
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,720
with those things so

737
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:01,039
i um looking back what i really needed

738
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,840
was a compass

739
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,840
and kind of just a compass to go through

740
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:05,279
all these other books and all this stuff

741
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,720
a kind of a guide

742
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:09,120
so for me um i don't think that my book

743
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:10,640
should be the last book on magic that

744
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,360
people read

745
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,360
but if it's your first book on magic

746
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,440
just kind of look at it as a

747
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,919
starter pack this is your this is your

748
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,240
uh it's dangerous to go alone take this

749
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,960
um you know this is your starter pokemon

750
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:23,600
um

751
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:29,039
starting off with an ancestry practice

752
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,080
is a really

753
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:32,720
great way to start a magical practice

754
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,440
because

755
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:35,120
first of all your ancestors are the

756
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:36,400
spirits that are probably going to be

757
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,039
the most

758
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:40,240
uh probably the easiest to listen to you

759
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:41,520
like they're probably already listening

760
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:41,840
to

761
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,279
already around you they probably already

762
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,559
know who you are

763
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,440
um so you have the most buy-in with them

764
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:51,120
out of any spirits because some spirits

765
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:52,480
just like don't give a [\h__\h] like they

766
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,360
don't care

767
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,679
um and so you're like i want to talk to

768
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,960
baphomet and i'm like well batman

769
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:58,159
doesn't care about you like you have to

770
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,360
make bathroom that care about you but

771
00:25:01,350 --> 00:25:00,640
you don't have to make your grandmother

772
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:01,360
care about you

773
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,200
right yeah right so um

774
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,600
yeah so there's a uh so there's that

775
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:09,440
immediate buy-in so like that's a good

776
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,919
thing

777
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,600
uh they also have your back if you're

778
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,600
engaging in spiritual work that is a

779
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,080
dangerous in some way uh they're there

780
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:17,919
to help you out they're there to guide

781
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,240
you

782
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:20,159
through dreams or rejuvenation that kind

783
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:21,440
of thing um

784
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,559
and it's also i think very um it's very

785
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:26,240
needed right now because i think a lot

786
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,720
of the

787
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,080
problems that we're dealing with

788
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,760
politically magically

789
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:32,080
in every aspect of our life has a lot to

790
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,600
do with ancestry and

791
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,080
and ancestor problems i think that

792
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,640
america especially is a very haunted

793
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,480
land because we don't know how to deal

794
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:41,760
with death like we don't know how to

795
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,559
deal

796
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:45,200
with loss um when we talk about things

797
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,000
like

798
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,400
the you know all this stuff with racial

799
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,760
justice that is going on right now the

800
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,200
black lives matter movement

801
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,600
there is a huge ancestral component to

802
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,640
that because

803
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,480
we never really dealt with the ghosts of

804
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,320
slavery like the lit like i'm talking

805
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:00,320
like the literal ghosts of it right like

806
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,760
there are some literal ants like racist

807
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,600
ancestry that is hanging around

808
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,600
and is gunking up the works right and i

809
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,240
think part of ancestor work for me

810
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,480
is to talk to those ancestors and be

811
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:13,919
like okay

812
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,360
move along now like get out of here um

813
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,919
so i think that there's also just

814
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,679
there's a lot of trauma on

815
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,000
on every side that needs to be dealt

816
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,880
with i in my own practice there's i just

817
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:29,039
a lot of trauma that gets dug up through

818
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,400
ancestor work and it

819
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,360
is painful but when you work through

820
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,600
that it has real benefits in your life

821
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:38,240
today and so i think that ancestor work

822
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,120
is it's one

823
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,120
very simple so it's easy to get started

824
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,480
with but it it

825
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,400
is very rich and very complex when you

826
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,159
when you really start to dig into it

827
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,520
so that's why i think it's a good kind

828
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,520
of first step for people

829
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:51,840
absolutely and i like you said i think

830
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,559
again

831
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:55,039
like having that support from the start

832
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:55,840
is

833
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,080
that in our you know our everyday life

834
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:02,320
as well as someone to have our back or

835
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,840
someone to um to sort of solidify that

836
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,679
we're doing the right thing or

837
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,600
or or whatnot so no i completely

838
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:11,440
understand that and like you said too i

839
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,760
think

840
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,760
sort of it's kind of your you're

841
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:15,120
buffering into

842
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:18,480
talking to a spirit or um or you know

843
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:22,000
a someone from your past uh other than

844
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,880
like some

845
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,640
you gotta start small i guess that's the

846
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,159
way i could put it

847
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:28,960
in a way and work your way up to uh to

848
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:29,279
the

849
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:34,080
world i guess but um

850
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,440
i guess uh sort of moving to

851
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,080
modern day when it comes to witchcraft

852
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,000
you mentioned this a little bit earlier

853
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,480
um and it's the same in the ufo

854
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:45,440
community

855
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:49,520
as well you see kind of this um

856
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,799
this insidious thing happening

857
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,120
where people and people do this in every

858
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:56,960
community every subculture

859
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,919
uh taking advantage of people's belief

860
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,520
systems or uh

861
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,840
latching onto something and commodifying

862
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:05,440
it and i mean

863
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:08,960
i see this in the world of metaphysics

864
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:09,279
uh

865
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,880
with

866
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,399
the ufo community when i go to

867
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,240
conferences and speak

868
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,240
you know i'll get up there and talk for

869
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,600
an hour about

870
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,320
military witnesses uh having encounters

871
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,320
with things they can't explain

872
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:26,880
and military officials backing them up

873
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,760
and this and

874
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,679
the most serious credible stuff you can

875
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,760
think of and then next is someone who

876
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:33,600
comes up there and says

877
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,960
i have channeled 10 different races of

878
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,000
aliens

879
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:41,679
uh they told me this and i'll give you

880
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:44,559
the answers if you buy my book or if you

881
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,600
take my ten

882
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:48,080
week course which is seven thousand

883
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,880
dollars

884
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,120
um so yeah i'd love to touch on this

885
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,039
whole aspect with you um

886
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,039
because it frustrates the hell out of me

887
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,440
trying to legitimize what i'm doing

888
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,919
um does this happen in your world as

889
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,000
well where like you can see

890
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,799
the commodification of witchcraft or um

891
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,159
certain practices

892
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:08,640
happening and um what do you make of all

893
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,279
that

894
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,279
yeah i absolutely do it's very it's

895
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,799
interesting so i am not as

896
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,279
um as in the ufo world as i am in like

897
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:17,279
the occult world but so i

898
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,559
this is maybe i think we can get into

899
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:19,760
later but that's interesting because i

900
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:20,399
come from

901
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,080
ufos and and aliens from a very kind of

902
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,919
uh i don't know if it's like

903
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,440
chock-fillet kind of standpoint where

904
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,960
i'm like oh yeah

905
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,080
for me it's like i think they're all

906
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,600
spirits like personally i hear this

907
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,880
stuff and i'm like okay maybe some of

908
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,320
them are crap but like i think most of

909
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:35,760
it is spirit stuff

910
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,320
so there's like to me that that is like

911
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:39,520
hearing about that person at that

912
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,000
conference

913
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,520
hurts me on a couple levels because i'm

914
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,520
like first of all there are like

915
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,440
real victims and real people that you're

916
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,120
kind of profiting off of that pain

917
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,720
and then two it's like yeah this is just

918
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:50,240
like

919
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:54,720
just drifting off of spirituality um

920
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:57,919
i don't know um but yeah i definitely

921
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:58,559
see

922
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,159
something quite that on those and like

923
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:04,399
quite that uh insidious as like

924
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,600
somebody who sounds like they're

925
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,760
literally trying to start a cult um

926
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,360
you know like a heaven's gate 2.0 or

927
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:11,600
something but i

928
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,640
um it's happening trust me it went so

929
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:15,840
well the first time

930
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:19,039
um oh totally yeah yeah i love nikes um

931
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,320
but there's a

932
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,000
uh yeah so in the occult world i i

933
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:26,320
the grift is quite easy but i think that

934
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,279
people are

935
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:29,120
a little bit wise to it like i so i

936
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,640
don't see people coming out and being

937
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:32,880
just straight up cult leaders like that

938
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,640
so much um but i do see i think

939
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,640
i think the problems with witchcraft are

940
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,480
a lot of the same problems with kind of

941
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,880
feminism right now where there is a lot

942
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,039
of great stuff there and it is like

943
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,039
i think it is a net good that these

944
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,880
things are becoming popularized i think

945
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,000
it is a net positive

946
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,200
and i'm happy to see it but it's

947
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:56,000
very easy to like under capitalism to

948
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,640
just

949
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,399
uh say like great you want a witch

950
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:00,480
t-shirt now like you want you want this

951
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,760
stuff that you can buy and uh in my book

952
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,279
i tried to make it very

953
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,240
uh uh very accessible not just in the

954
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,080
way that i write it but

955
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,760
i've made it very purpose i very

956
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,279
purposefully made it so that

957
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,760
all of the magic in it involves things

958
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,200
that you don't have to buy

959
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,240
like you don't have to uh buy it

960
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:22,080
and buy a bunch of accoutrements and buy

961
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,279
a bunch of stuff

962
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,679
to do this like you already have this

963
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,600
stuff probably in your house

964
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:30,000
or it's like very cheap to get you don't

965
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,120
have to get

966
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,600
a bunch of really expensive things i

967
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,120
think personally if people can gather

968
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,960
their own herbs and like know their own

969
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,000
landscape

970
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,760
have a working relationship with these

971
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:41,840
things that's really where magic

972
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:44,320
comes about um i think obviously there's

973
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,519
stuff that i buy i love

974
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,440
i love you know occult book stores those

975
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,440
are like community centers for me so

976
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,360
i'm not saying that people shouldn't buy

977
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,919
anything a cult related buy my book um

978
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:55,279
but there's a

979
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:57,440
you know like please buy my book uh

980
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,640
though but i don't think that people

981
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,080
shouldn't buy anything

982
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,559
occult related because there are like

983
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:04,159
you know there are specialty items and

984
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:05,600
there are you know there are people that

985
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,240
i know

986
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,720
who are you know pour their heart and

987
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,000
soul into

988
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,279
uh jewelry and to um you know

989
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,519
oils and incenses and things like that

990
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:17,120
so i i don't think that that's a bad

991
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,760
thing

992
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:20,000
i think what happens is when it is

993
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,440
divorced from magic

994
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,600
and you kind of just commodify things

995
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,279
it's part of the same

996
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,600
process that kind of destroyed

997
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:29,039
witchcraft to begin with

998
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,760
it's the same kind of mechanistic you

999
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,760
know capitalist model that sort of

1000
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:36,000
drove that out of the land to begin with

1001
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:36,799
and so

1002
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,760
i i do push back a little bit against

1003
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,000
that sort of commodification because

1004
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,919
it's it you know it feels the same way

1005
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,760
that it's that like feminism has been

1006
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,279
commodified where it's like no this this

1007
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,440
is actually a very powerful political

1008
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,200
idea it actually has some very

1009
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:53,200
revolutionary potential in it

1010
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,320
and uh it's capitalism's way of

1011
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:58,080
neutralizing these things by

1012
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,440
commodifying them like the way it did

1013
00:33:01,509 --> 00:33:00,960
the way it did with punk and the way it

1014
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,519
did

1015
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,120
with very uh you know kind of radical

1016
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:04,880
movements in the past where it's like

1017
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,519
uh now instead of being a 60s radical

1018
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:09,039
you can just dress like one right you

1019
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,240
know now instead of

1020
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,000
instead of embracing the revolutionary

1021
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,320
power of magic and how like you can make

1022
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,320
things happen for yourself like you

1023
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,320
just with your mind and with your belief

1024
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:20,240
like well now you can dress like a witch

1025
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:20,720
right

1026
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:23,600
and again i [\h__\h] love witch's fashion

1027
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,080
like i

1028
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,360
hate it it's just uh

1029
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:29,679
it does concern me a little bit yeah

1030
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,480
yeah

1031
00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:33,519
that is such a good point and i mean um

1032
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,240
i again it goes back to that

1033
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:36,799
commercialization and

1034
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:40,320
um capitalism is the constant

1035
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,799
uh i guess obstacle here is every time

1036
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:47,840
the individual or

1037
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,880
let's say community feels empowered

1038
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,640
there's always that thing to stamp it

1039
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,880
down into quiet its voice

1040
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,120
and i mean and we're going to get into

1041
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:59,039
the more political aspect to all of this

1042
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,240
as well because that

1043
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,880
fascinates me just as much but kind of

1044
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:05,200
rounding out this idea of pop culture i

1045
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:05,600
guess

1046
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:08,720
in in witches um like i said wicked for

1047
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,119
me

1048
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,240
uh wizard of oz all these ideas of a

1049
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,000
green skinned witch

1050
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:16,560
or um someone who's evil and snatching

1051
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,119
up

1052
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,599
children um i i think i've watched hocus

1053
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,399
pocus about

1054
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,359
10 times already it's on free every

1055
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:24,560
single night if

1056
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,760
people don't know um hollywood they

1057
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,839
they are a big component in all of this

1058
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,240
and how we as the mainstream perceive

1059
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,359
which is so um do you have any reckons

1060
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,960
to give when it comes to how hollywood

1061
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,200
deals with all this stuff sarah

1062
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,879
it's interesting because i think so

1063
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:42,639
people ask me that a lot and i think

1064
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,960
that

1065
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:45,440
people want me to be like offended by

1066
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,159
the whole yeah

1067
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,159
rich right like they want me to be like

1068
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,000
that's of stereotype

1069
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:52,560
i'm not green obviously like you know

1070
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,200
and it's like

1071
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,879
i think that people realize that there's

1072
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:56,560
no green people out there like right i

1073
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:57,760
think that there's

1074
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,440
i i um personally for me i'm able to

1075
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:02,800
separate out the kind of

1076
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:06,000
myth from reality and i think i kind of

1077
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,359
have a little bit of faith that most

1078
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,720
people do feel that way

1079
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,560
um that most people know that that's not

1080
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,160
that these are embellishments and

1081
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,079
exaggerations or artistic

1082
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,119
kind of representations um so

1083
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,960
i'm not actually that mad about

1084
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,200
hollywood representations of witchcraft

1085
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,599
i think right now there is to me

1086
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,520
witchcraft has a very rich history and

1087
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:27,040
to me witchcraft

1088
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,040
is um its power lies in the fact that

1089
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:33,040
it's very hard to define right and i

1090
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,560
think ever since it kind of

1091
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:35,920
happens like ever since people have been

1092
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,240
doing this there is this very intense

1093
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,640
desire to define what witchcraft is

1094
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,800
uh you know back going back to the

1095
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,160
trials you know there's

1096
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:47,520
uh a you know a codification of

1097
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:50,079
witches meet with the devil on these

1098
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,560
days

1099
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,480
and they do these rights with the devil

1100
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,160
and they leave these marks

1101
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:56,240
and this is what happens and it's like

1102
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,520
sure like

1103
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,119
me like i'm sure that there were people

1104
00:36:00,710 --> 00:36:00,480
who were doing that kind of thing like

1105
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,720
we

1106
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,760
the um the trial of

1107
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,280
someone like elizabeth gowdy or isabel

1108
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:07,520
gowdy sorry um in scotland

1109
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:11,440
you know that's a very important piece

1110
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,000
of history

1111
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,000
to me because that's somebody who wasn't

1112
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,000
um she wasn't coerced into giving her

1113
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,680
testimony she gave it freely

1114
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,280
so when she talks about her consorts

1115
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,960
with the devil when she talks about

1116
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,720
meeting the man in black all this kind

1117
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,640
of stuff it is um

1118
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,599
it's something that we're getting

1119
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:27,359
probably from someone who did this stuff

1120
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,400
and

1121
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,000
not somebody who is just you know saying

1122
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,839
whatever the judges want to hear

1123
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,200
so i'm not saying that these practices

1124
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:34,560
didn't even exist but there's this

1125
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,200
intense

1126
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,880
from the very beginning it's it's very

1127
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,960
um people really want to codify

1128
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,560
witchcraft into being like it is just

1129
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,560
these practices and it is just this

1130
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,839
stuff and that's it

1131
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:45,680
and witchcraft is very hard to define

1132
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,880
it's the hardest

1133
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,880
aspect of the occult to define it's not

1134
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,160
like you know

1135
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:53,359
druidry or solomonic magic or

1136
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:56,640
um you know uh felima or things like

1137
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,680
that where you can

1138
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,440
you can look at the history there are

1139
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,440
these certain books you have to read

1140
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,880
there are certain historical figures

1141
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,720
that you can point to as like people who

1142
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:06,640
started the practice and that's and it's

1143
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,280
that

1144
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,040
witchcraft is really weird and there's a

1145
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,640
lot of old documents you have to go

1146
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:11,680
through so

1147
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,280
to me uh i i think that in

1148
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,160
there's always kind of a uh a rush by

1149
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,680
hollywood to be like well which is our

1150
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:21,359
only evil or which is are

1151
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,560
actually only misunderstood uh very good

1152
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:26,880
hippies or it's like witches are

1153
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,440
actually all feminists and it's like

1154
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,680
you know witches have been really bad

1155
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,079
like historically speaking

1156
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,400
like being a witch was not a good thing

1157
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,240
like it was it was considered a very bad

1158
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,079
thing even if you were a folk magic

1159
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,640
practitioner uh there were witches like

1160
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:43,920
if you look at something like the bell

1161
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:44,400
witch

1162
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,920
in uh in kentucky or if you look at the

1163
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,960
the people who were accused of

1164
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:50,240
witchcraft in the salem witchcraft

1165
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,960
trials

1166
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,720
they own slaves like those aren't

1167
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,960
feminists right so it's not uh

1168
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:57,119
it's not as simple but then on the other

1169
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,240
hand it's like

1170
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,119
well yeah it was it was a way to attack

1171
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:02,800
women and it was a way to

1172
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:06,160
uh you know take power away from the the

1173
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,720
poor

1174
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,640
peasant women like so it's very

1175
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:10,320
complicated and i think that to me it's

1176
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,119
not so much a

1177
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,680
problem of like listen mr hollywood this

1178
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,040
is what riches are really like

1179
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:17,200
to me it's more like i just want more i

1180
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,079
want more witches

1181
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,800
and i want more diverse interesting

1182
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,400
representations of witches like i love

1183
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,000
that movie the witch that came out a few

1184
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:25,760
years ago because to me i was like

1185
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:28,800
oh my god somebody finally did a real

1186
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,760
folkloric representation of like what

1187
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,839
puritans would have thought witchcraft

1188
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,960
was and i feel rare in films now to see

1189
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:38,000
because i feel like there's such an

1190
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,200
intense like

1191
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:41,359
no it's about good women and i'm like

1192
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,640
yes yes yes

1193
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,960
i love it i love it but give me one bad

1194
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,160
witch like i mean i want

1195
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:48,560
i want mean witches again right uh so

1196
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:49,280
yeah

1197
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:53,680
a g it's about um

1198
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,960
giving it a agency giving it um

1199
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:59,520
individualism you know again like yes

1200
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,400
you could find

1201
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,720
uh strength in numbers and in a

1202
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,720
community but at the end of the day like

1203
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,280
every witch is gonna have their own

1204
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,880
perception their own rituals

1205
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,720
their own way of dealing with it in

1206
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,400
their own reason for having gotten

1207
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,160
involved with it to begin with

1208
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,720
um the the witch that i'm so glad you

1209
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:18,240
brought that movie up because that

1210
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:21,920
that was i guess sort of my gateway into

1211
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,200
um uh which which is

1212
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,280
uh being a symbol of feminism i mean

1213
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:28,880
again from my simple

1214
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:32,320
i guess kind of um um

1215
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:35,520
male centric mind that never it never

1216
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,920
really

1217
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,839
spoke to me until that last scene in

1218
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,680
that movie when i was just like

1219
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:41,520
whoa i just had like my perception

1220
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:42,880
shattered on what this

1221
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,160
is and um and now we're seeing like

1222
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,200
a reboot of the craft we're seeing uh

1223
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:51,200
that new anne hathaway movie coming out

1224
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,160
i think witches

1225
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:54,720
which i think is a remake as well um so

1226
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,359
yeah

1227
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,440
it's kind of having a resurgence i think

1228
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,359
in hollywood hopefully

1229
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:02,560
in different ways but um yeah yeah

1230
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:06,079
it's interesting like it's it's to me um

1231
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:07,359
what i liked about the witch and like

1232
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:08,560
what i like about some of those movies

1233
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,280
is that

1234
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,480
i um like

1235
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,880
to me magic is scary like there's this i

1236
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,079
think there was this long

1237
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,920
um there was this long attempt for a

1238
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,760
very long time to be like

1239
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,839
witches are actually all good and we

1240
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:23,680
just you know we worship mother goddess

1241
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,640
and mother earth

1242
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,720
and you know we would never harm anyone

1243
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,240
it's like a very wicked kind of idea

1244
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,160
like do no harm and

1245
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,119
um you know it's it's all about peace

1246
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,119
and love and it's like look

1247
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,640
at my heart our hearts i am a hippie

1248
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:38,079
like i really do believe in peace and

1249
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:39,280
love like i am

1250
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,400
you know i i do like i do want us to all

1251
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,000
get along right but

1252
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:46,400
it's like i don't know witchcraft is

1253
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:47,040
scary

1254
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:50,960
stuff

1255
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,920
and when you do it for real and it's and

1256
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,480
i i

1257
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,839
to me that's what kind of keeps the

1258
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,079
magic alive is every now and then being

1259
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,560
like whoa i just did that like oh my god

1260
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,680
this is real

1261
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,920
and i think it's it's maybe it's similar

1262
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,119
in the ufo world

1263
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,000
too where it's like people like you know

1264
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,599
people who have these experiences with

1265
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,440
ufos people who have these experiences

1266
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,960
with like beings from a

1267
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,880
different dimension or other planet like

1268
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:16,000
whatever you want to take it

1269
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:20,000
like that's really terrifying and like i

1270
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,560
think the

1271
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,680
thing that people forget because they're

1272
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:23,119
like oh yeah aliens are probably real

1273
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:24,160
they're like oh they're probably not

1274
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:24,640
real

1275
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,240
it's like well if they are that's a big

1276
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,200
deal like that is a earth-shatteringly

1277
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,880
big deal and that's something

1278
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,800
it changes everything about how we know

1279
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,319
reality works especially

1280
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,680
like if they're from another planet

1281
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:39,280
that's one big thing right but if

1282
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,000
they're from

1283
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:42,400
if they're like an interdimensional like

1284
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,359
spirit being

1285
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:46,240
if it's like reality is this veil like

1286
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,960
that kind of

1287
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,640
weird [\h__\h] if it's something like within

1288
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,079
our own psychic you know

1289
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:51,760
understanding of the world that's

1290
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,119
actually terrifying right that's like

1291
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,359
that that's scary and i think with magic

1292
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,359
it's kind of the exact same thing we're

1293
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,640
like yes okay

1294
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,520
our thoughts are causative uh you know

1295
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,560
spirits are real

1296
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,160
this is all great and that's you can

1297
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,680
have fun with that and it can take you

1298
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,440
to a very peaceful loving place but i

1299
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,599
think sometimes it's important to sit in

1300
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,839
kind of the lovecraftian terror of it

1301
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,599
and be like oh my god there are beings

1302
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,960
behind the stars like there's

1303
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,880
like this is the world is so much

1304
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,560
weirder than i thought it was and it

1305
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:22,480
continues to get weirder the more i do

1306
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,200
this and i

1307
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:25,200
i personally love that like i personally

1308
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,240
think that's great

1309
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,640
but um so i i i guess maybe that's

1310
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,000
another thing i push back on is kind of

1311
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,680
the attempt to defang magic

1312
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,160
and make it very palpable i'm like okay

1313
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,079
it can be used for very lovely and nice

1314
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,760
things and i do that all the time

1315
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,599
but it's scary at the end of the day to

1316
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:41,119
me and i think

1317
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,560
fine let it be spooky let it be spooky

1318
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,160
somewhere in the spooky skies that's why

1319
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,839
you're here today um no that

1320
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:50,160
you bring up so many like sort of roads

1321
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:51,119
we could go down

1322
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:54,800
and i agree with you i think that um

1323
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,000
that concept of you know if

1324
00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:00,240
we we like to attach the alien to the

1325
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:01,599
ufo always

1326
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:04,640
whenever i do ufo interviews or whatnot

1327
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,280
the

1328
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,839
it always starts with um so aliens are

1329
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,520
visiting the planet and i'm like

1330
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,720
no i never said that like but you're a

1331
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,000
ufo researcher

1332
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:16,560
yeah so what like i'm not saying aliens

1333
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,280
are visiting

1334
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:19,599
our planet uh people have reported that

1335
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,800
and they

1336
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:23,280
they assumed that because where else

1337
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,319
could these things

1338
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,480
so non-human come from from another

1339
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,599
planet um

1340
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,280
but yeah like you mentioned where like

1341
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,119
the reality just tears open

1342
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:33,760
like yeah yeah and then all those doors

1343
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,319
are open

1344
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,480
and again i think that's scary for a lot

1345
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,400
of people we want to think it's just

1346
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,280
aliens visiting our planet or that um a

1347
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:42,720
spirit is just a

1348
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:46,079
you know the the uh the energy of a

1349
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,440
loved one but there's

1350
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,680
once you start like stripping back those

1351
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,359
layers it's so much more

1352
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,599
complex and i think that scares people

1353
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,160
that fear of the unknown you know so

1354
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,119
um i totally get it yeah to me so i i

1355
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,480
just finished reading um

1356
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,560
the mothman prophecies which i love next

1357
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,319
um oh my god so good um

1358
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,359
yeah and uh to me it just like struck me

1359
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,359
so much that this was

1360
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,880
that these were like fairy tales like

1361
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,920
you know what people were going through

1362
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,040
i was like oh my god this is

1363
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:16,240
exactly what you read about when you

1364
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,280
read about

1365
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,640
old folklore and people having

1366
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,240
encounters with the devil and stuff like

1367
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,160
that and there's so much

1368
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:24,720
in that book and in encounters like that

1369
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,599
that i was

1370
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,680
to me as a magical practitioner i'm like

1371
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:28,960
yeah there's no way

1372
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:32,000
that like there's no there's no physical

1373
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,480
being

1374
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,480
that makes this stuff happen like this

1375
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,480
stuff only happens when you encounter

1376
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:38,160
the fae or you encounter the devil and

1377
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,640
like

1378
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,560
the devil is called the man in black and

1379
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:42,000
then the men in black show up to

1380
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,040
people's doors

1381
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:45,680
and like do weird stuff that aren't

1382
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,160
wearing

1383
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:47,920
shoes that aren't the right size that

1384
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,560
are eating sugar pills i'm like

1385
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,400
that's not a [\h__\h] fed that's the

1386
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:54,480
devil like get the [\h__\h] out of there you

1387
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:55,040
know

1388
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:58,640
like to me oh my god

1389
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:02,160
um but yeah so i mean and i i think that

1390
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,119
that's where people

1391
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:05,280
can't it's that's why i think there is a

1392
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,160
kind of

1393
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,520
concerted i don't know if it's a

1394
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:09,280
concerted effort but why there is a

1395
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,319
huge resistance in like a very you know

1396
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,200
very staunch materialist branches of

1397
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,359
science and research against kind of the

1398
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:18,800
work that we do

1399
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:22,560
uh our research will someday be

1400
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:25,599
seen as legitimate in the science books

1401
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:26,240
yeah

1402
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:32,240
if we're right you have to change

1403
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,359
everything about

1404
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:35,599
what you're believing and about how your

1405
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:36,800
world works and

1406
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,800
yeah you don't want to do that and

1407
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,200
sorry i think we are right uh you know

1408
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,880
get on the weirdo

1409
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,200
get on the weird train the crazy train

1410
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,800
as ozzy osbourne would say

1411
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,040
no but that's such a good point like

1412
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,520
institutions are what keep things

1413
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,319
in place you know and there's some good

1414
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:57,680
institutions obviously

1415
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,839
in history but um i think you're right

1416
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,720
you know once

1417
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,440
once that that's there that's the answer

1418
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:04,640
and i think um

1419
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:08,160
you know up to a few what a month ago

1420
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,119
they might might have detected earth

1421
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,880
what am i trying to say there they

1422
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,280
detected possible

1423
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,319
life in the clouds of venus and if we

1424
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,160
look at something like the

1425
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,200
the drake equation this

1426
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,240
super complex massive equation that

1427
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,640
life probably does not exist in our own

1428
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,599
galaxy

1429
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,359
um because of this and this and this and

1430
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:35,520
this and now all of a sudden it's like

1431
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,319
hold up

1432
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:38,079
there might be life on venus or there

1433
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,359
was life on venus

1434
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,760
or there is life thriving there now and

1435
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,680
it just shatters everything

1436
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,560
so now it's a matter of are we going to

1437
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:48,319
change everything we thought we knew for

1438
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,119
so long

1439
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,800
or are we going to take that step to the

1440
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,880
next paradigm and i think again

1441
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:55,520
that goes with so much of what what you

1442
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,000
do

1443
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:59,200
and um and what's going on in the world

1444
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,400
right now where

1445
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:02,640
a lot of at least here in america and

1446
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:03,839
other countries

1447
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,800
people want things to go back to what

1448
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,079
they were before

1449
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:10,800
and keep things status quo and then

1450
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,440
another

1451
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:14,079
part of the country wants things to

1452
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:14,880
change

1453
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:18,160
dramatically and that that divisiveness

1454
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,040
i think is

1455
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:21,119
what has gotten to us to where we are

1456
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,160
now um

1457
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:25,520
and probably the most tumultuous

1458
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,640
american election in recent history

1459
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,800
um which we will we will definitely get

1460
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:32,079
to uh

1461
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,440
so yeah i think um we need these things

1462
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:38,400
right now we need witches we need ufo

1463
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,440
people like tom delong like changing the

1464
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,760
entire landscape of the conversation

1465
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,680
no matter what you think of him or his

1466
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,200
pop punk music i mean

1467
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,839
this guy for us has uh opened the doors

1468
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,880
wide open

1469
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:53,040
to break down those institutions who

1470
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,400
have tried to tell us

1471
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:57,280
nothing exists and ufos we can explain

1472
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,920
them away

1473
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,839
so yeah interesting times we're living

1474
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,240
in i think i think so yeah i mean

1475
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,079
look the ufo community needed a bank and

1476
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:05,599
tom along came along and decided to be

1477
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,000
the bank

1478
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:09,119
you know like yeah that's great um i

1479
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:09,520
think

1480
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,960
talking about like the paradigm shift

1481
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,319
i think i kind of write about this in my

1482
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,079
book but i think we're at a time

1483
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,400
where not just we're just going through

1484
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,160
one paradigm shift right like

1485
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:22,079
if you think about just 2020 alone or

1486
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,359
just the last couple of years

1487
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,599
alone all right it'd be one thing if

1488
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:28,000
like there was just ufo disclosure right

1489
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,119
like that'd be one thing

1490
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:31,440
like that happened but that happened on

1491
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,559
top of a pandemic

1492
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,599
on top of you know on top of you know a

1493
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,880
bomb shelter bombshell

1494
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:39,119
report from every type from everything

1495
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,079
that's happening

1496
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:43,440
uh on top of you know the rise of q and

1497
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:43,839
on

1498
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,040
and uh you know colts and

1499
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:49,520
nexium and epstein and all of this

1500
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:50,559
everything's happening

1501
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,599
at once and it's like to me i

1502
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,440
think that like that's that's consensus

1503
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,280
reality in a crisis

1504
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:59,119
and it's you know there's no longer like

1505
00:49:01,750 --> 00:49:00,559
so in magic there's this term called

1506
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,760
consensus reality

1507
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,520
basically it's like the the reality that

1508
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:04,880
we can all uh

1509
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:07,599
or most of us can kind of um hang our

1510
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,920
hat

1511
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,760
on and and come to agreement over so

1512
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:11,440
like the sky is blue it's consensus

1513
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,079
reality

1514
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,920
new york city is in the united states of

1515
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,680
america it's consensus reality right

1516
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:17,040
these are things it's just like

1517
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:20,480
don't to question it um and previously

1518
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,280
things like

1519
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,720
you know america is the greatest country

1520
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,480
in the world that was consensus reality

1521
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,680
to a lot of people or

1522
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,359
you know capitalism is the best economic

1523
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,119
system that's consensus reality

1524
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,720
uh you know uh we we fixed racism it's

1525
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,240
the civil rights act and martin luther

1526
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,240
king like it's over certain things like

1527
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:37,760
that we're just like consensus reality

1528
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:39,040
to a lot of people

1529
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,319
and all of a sudden those are getting

1530
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,400
broken down or like okay like earth is

1531
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:43,599
the only place where there's life in the

1532
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,079
universe

1533
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,440
like getting broken down and uh whenever

1534
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,720
there is a shift like that

1535
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,640
there's a moment of initiation where

1536
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,640
your scope of reality gets bigger

1537
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:55,359
because now all of a sudden you are um

1538
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,319
you're privy to

1539
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,280
information that was always there but

1540
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,480
you just couldn't see

1541
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,160
so you're kind of leveling up magically

1542
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,640
when that happens if you lean into it

1543
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,640
if you don't lean into those initiatory

1544
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,839
moments if you don't

1545
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,680
lean into those paradigm shifts you

1546
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,599
could really [\h__\h] yourself up because

1547
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,960
it's like you're trying to wear the

1548
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,839
kid's shoes

1549
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,440
when you're an adult you know it's like

1550
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:17,359
no you grew out of that now you have to

1551
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,680
step

1552
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,599
into the new shoes even though you like

1553
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,280
those light up sneakers a lot like

1554
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,880
you've got to step into the bigger ones

1555
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,880
right and um

1556
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,040
that's happening to all of us constantly

1557
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,800
right now and i think that that's

1558
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,480
one reason why so many people are

1559
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,240
talking about like civil war

1560
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,559
in the united states of america because

1561
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,480
i think to a lot of people it's the only

1562
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,000
way that they can see

1563
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:40,240
this this reconciling in some way it's

1564
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,520
just like things are

1565
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,680
like uh you know the can like my

1566
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,040
consensus reality

1567
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:47,359
is not the same as a q a on believers

1568
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,640
consensus reality

1569
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,720
like and and to a certain extent that is

1570
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:52,079
going to become incompatible

1571
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,440
at a certain point that's just like that

1572
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,520
just doesn't get along uh you know

1573
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,119
people who believe in abolishing the

1574
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:59,119
police and people who want like

1575
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,559
like trump being like a law and order

1576
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,240
president that's incompatible

1577
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:05,119
that doesn't get along so there's um i

1578
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,520
think

1579
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,680
people look at these in concise you know

1580
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,760
irreconcilable realities that are

1581
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,359
that we're dueling with here which is

1582
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,000
what i think kind of like magic

1583
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,000
is as a tool like to understand politics

1584
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:17,760
like it's a battle of realities and it's

1585
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:18,880
a battle of will

1586
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:22,000
um we see this and it's like oh yeah

1587
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:23,359
obviously there's gonna be a civil war

1588
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,559
because how else is this going to

1589
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,520
resolve

1590
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,800
i don't know like i don't know if

1591
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,000
there's gonna be a civil war or not i

1592
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:29,839
mean astrologically we're not going to a

1593
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,559
great place

1594
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,920
but it's uh you know i

1595
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:36,160
i think that it's just a sign that we

1596
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,280
have to kind of lean

1597
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,359
into this a little bit it's we have to

1598
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,280
lean into that weird

1599
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,359
we have to be at least in the short term

1600
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:45,440
we have to be comfortable with being

1601
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,200
uncomfortable and not knowing

1602
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,400
what is real right now right like like

1603
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:54,800
okay like for me i'm a big believer in

1604
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,599
the the

1605
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,079
kind of spirit or non-material belief of

1606
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,760
ufos right like that's where i come from

1607
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,359
but then i hear about stuff on like this

1608
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,720
gas on venus or i hear

1609
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,319
i see that video that the pentagon

1610
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:05,839
released and i'm like well [\h__\h] maybe

1611
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,559
there are

1612
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:08,400
people in spaceships like i don't know

1613
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,599
like that's [\h__\h] weird

1614
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:12,000
so it's like even then for me i'm like i

1615
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,280
don't know what to make of that

1616
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,680
and it's uh it sucks but i think that if

1617
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,440
you don't lean into it that's when you

1618
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,400
actually have problems right

1619
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,880
not knowing yeah the not knowing and

1620
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,319
again i think that's what

1621
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,400
keeps us so stamped down is people are

1622
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,400
not willing to sacrifice

1623
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,200
their beliefs or uh you know everything

1624
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:32,640
they think they are

1625
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,920
owed or deserved and um and not willing

1626
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:36,720
to

1627
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,559
next and we don't

1628
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,559
like this is the most uncertain time in

1629
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,880
my lifetime probably in many people's

1630
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,000
lives we have

1631
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,319
absolutely no idea what's going to

1632
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,880
happen of in a few weeks here in america

1633
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,720
or across the world or where this

1634
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,240
pandemic is heading

1635
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:57,040
like we we've put so much trust in

1636
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,480
governments in the past

1637
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:00,319
again these systems that are there to

1638
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:01,760
keep things in check

1639
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,319
and keep things the way they are um

1640
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,319
under the guise that it's for the people

1641
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:08,240
and it's to protect you in this

1642
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:11,599
um but now we're seeing everything like

1643
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,119
witchcraft and ufos and magic

1644
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,960
kind of pushing back at that more than i

1645
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:18,880
think they ever have before

1646
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:22,079
and that's like you said for us

1647
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,359
very exciting but we also don't know

1648
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:27,280
what's going to happen

1649
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,520
america on top of that exactly

1650
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,599
i don't know i mean if the proud boys

1651
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,359
have anything to say about it we are

1652
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:37,839
but um that's a whole other story but no

1653
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:38,800
i think

1654
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:43,920
time where everything you and i

1655
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,720
have spent our lives looking into and um

1656
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,680
embracing

1657
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:50,480
uh and our listeners and viewers and

1658
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,119
people

1659
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,680
in our communities have been doing is

1660
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:56,160
finally standing up and saying like i'm

1661
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,960
here

1662
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:00,000
like you can't keep us quiet anymore and

1663
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:03,680
uh sorry yeah yeah yeah um

1664
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,720
well go ahead sarah no i'm sorry no i

1665
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:08,400
this is this is to your point but i

1666
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,280
actually like

1667
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,800
history of witchcraft and like being a

1668
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,640
witch like that was something i always

1669
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:13,839
kept very quiet from people it was

1670
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,559
always i

1671
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:16,000
used to joke now it's the first thing

1672
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:17,280
that people know about me but it used to

1673
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:18,720
be the last thing that people knew about

1674
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,829
um and uh until you came to my house and

1675
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:25,119
it's like why is there that goat skull

1676
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,839
there and i'm like

1677
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:28,000
just ignore uh but anyways there's so

1678
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,119
you like

1679
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,359
uh but for me it was very much i had a

1680
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,800
couch in a bunch of like

1681
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,280
science and i had to know anthropology

1682
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,880
and i had to be like well

1683
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,680
you know the experiment where the the

1684
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:41,440
things don't go through the two slits

1685
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,160
and like all that

1686
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,760
all that [\h__\h] that we all know about

1687
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,760
like the folks the greatest hits folks

1688
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,559
at home know

1689
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,319
so i had like memorize this stuff and

1690
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:50,160
have it ready to go if i was ever to

1691
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,680
talk to people about magic because i had

1692
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,520
to prove that i wasn't a crazy person

1693
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,960
which is like a whole other conversation

1694
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:57,040
i think to be had about shame

1695
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,640
and these things i think people who are

1696
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,640
into magic paranormal

1697
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,640
ufos we feel a great deal of shame that

1698
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:04,319
we're like still dealing with today that

1699
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,839
i think we need to just get over because

1700
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:06,720
we're right

1701
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:09,680
um but there's a um i'm adamant about

1702
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,160
this

1703
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,520
but there's uh to me i uh

1704
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:16,079
uh for me and once once donald trump got

1705
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:16,880
elected

1706
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:19,359
all of a sudden like literally overnight

1707
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:20,720
people

1708
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:24,160
didn't question magic the way they used

1709
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:24,799
to

1710
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,040
like oh yeah like i think that reality

1711
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,520
is a malleable thing and i think that

1712
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:32,799
thoughts are causative

1713
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,599
and i think that we can shape reality

1714
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:38,000
how we want to to a certain extent

1715
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,359
all of a sudden people were like all

1716
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,680
right that checks out i believe that

1717
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,119
people who i've known my whole life who

1718
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,359
are atheists and skeptics and

1719
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,359
you know adamantly not about this kind

1720
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,520
of thing because i think they saw

1721
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,200
someone basically pretend their way into

1722
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:53,200
being president like

1723
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,559
whatever you think of the guy i

1724
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:56,000
certainly have many many negative

1725
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,359
opinions i think donald trump

1726
00:56:01,030 --> 00:56:00,079
is doing chaos magic very well or has

1727
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,040
historically done

1728
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:03,040
chaos magic very well i don't think he

1729
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,480
calls it that i don't think he knows

1730
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:06,160
that that's what he's doing but

1731
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:09,680
he is a like textbook example

1732
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,880
of really bad monolithic magic kind of

1733
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,200
run him up and i think people can kind

1734
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,880
of see that and when you explain what

1735
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,319
magic is to them all of a sudden it's

1736
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:20,079
kind of a way to explain like how trump

1737
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,640
happened

1738
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,640
and how the last four years have

1739
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:24,640
happened you know

1740
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:28,000
yeah yeah i mean i i look when he was

1741
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,480
first

1742
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,520
elected um look at what happened i mean

1743
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,280
you had the women's march

1744
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,839
directly after that you um one of the

1745
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:37,119
first things i saw

1746
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,119
as kind of like a a rebellion was

1747
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,520
witches all over the world we're putting

1748
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,040
hexes on this guy

1749
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:47,359
so like you're right immediately when

1750
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:49,119
this man was put into power

1751
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,400
you started to see magic rising and that

1752
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,160
that that's fascinating

1753
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:56,319
to me to think like that that's what

1754
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,440
happened um

1755
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,680
and the fact that well let's let's let's

1756
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:00,960
unpack that a little bit

1757
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:04,160
in terms of um of the current president

1758
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,750
something's gonna happen in the next

1759
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:11,760
couple weeks but the last four years

1760
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:12,000
have

1761
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:16,160
been about to make a prediction like yes

1762
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:24,150
yeah yeah oh man i'm i'm terrified but

1763
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:24,799
that's okay

1764
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:28,799
changes every [\h__\h] week for me man i

1765
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:31,359
there was before trump got coveted i was

1766
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,839
like

1767
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,680
i was spiritually certain he was gonna

1768
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:35,200
win re-election i was like no this is

1769
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,000
gonna happen

1770
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:39,280
i don't know anymore um i think that

1771
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,680
it's

1772
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,760
uh there's two astrologically there are

1773
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:43,440
two things i guess i will point out if i

1774
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,760
what

1775
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,839
if your listeners want a little bit of

1776
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,880
like a prophecy

1777
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,040
to come so there's two let's do it let's

1778
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:51,359
do it two things to watch out for um i

1779
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:51,920
believe

1780
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,319
december 12th there is going to be

1781
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,160
something called the grand conjunction

1782
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,160
the great conjunction and this is

1783
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,760
something that only happens every 20 to

1784
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:00,799
30 years

1785
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:04,160
it is going to be um uh jupiter

1786
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,760
and saturn are going to be sitting right

1787
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:07,440
on top of each other in the skies in the

1788
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:09,040
sign of capricorn

1789
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,480
and uh every time that this has happened

1790
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:14,319
in u.s history ever since william harry

1791
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,960
harrison

1792
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:17,040
it's something called tecumseh's curse

1793
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,559
and whoever the same president

1794
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,480
is either is assassinated or has an

1795
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:22,559
assassination attempt against them

1796
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:27,040
so uh or is it or dies in office um

1797
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,880
the only exception to this rule is

1798
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:30,319
george w bush

1799
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,720
and 9 11 happened so uh december 12th

1800
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,119
mark it in your calendars uh it is very

1801
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:39,359
likely whoever the president is will die

1802
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,680
or will something very bad will happen

1803
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:43,200
to them historically that's what has

1804
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,079
happened

1805
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:46,640
uh yeah so that's one thing to keep an

1806
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:47,359
eye out for

1807
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:50,640
and uh the second thing is on uh

1808
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,839
yeah the fourth of july 2021 america is

1809
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,599
going to have its pluto return

1810
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,040
and no country makes it through their

1811
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,359
pluto return without a revolution

1812
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,839
or a civil war or an invasion or a

1813
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:03,119
massive change to the government it

1814
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,359
happens every like 250 years is gonna be

1815
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,440
america's first pluto return

1816
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:09,680
and uh i think that everything that

1817
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:10,480
we're seeing now

1818
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,839
is kind of the build-up to that because

1819
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,839
obviously we are we are like

1820
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:18,160
astrologically due for a huge change to

1821
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:19,520
occur

1822
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:23,040
what that change is i do not know um

1823
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:24,799
i was a big bernie sanders supporter

1824
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,559
just to put like my tarot cards on the

1825
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,599
table because

1826
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:29,200
i was like okay that's how you square

1827
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:30,400
the circle like that's how you have a

1828
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,119
revolution

1829
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,640
in a peaceful way like that's how you do

1830
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,720
revolution by the ballot box kind of

1831
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,040
so i was like all right thinking with

1832
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,880
that in mind this is the thing like the

1833
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,559
guy talking about like revolution but

1834
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:41,599
doing it in like a

1835
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,559
electoral way like that's how we do that

1836
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:46,640
that's not happening anymore so i

1837
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,000
don't know what's going to occur um

1838
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:51,760
but those are the two dates i would say

1839
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,680
to look out for and to kind of keep in

1840
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,680
mind while all of this is going on

1841
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,359
there there's i think that pluto

1842
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,960
returned is kind of anchoring a lot of

1843
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,160
these ships that we're seeing in

1844
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:01,920
american culture right now

1845
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:04,480
interesting wow yeah what were the dates

1846
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,280
again sarah

1847
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,319
december 12th december 12th and july 4th

1848
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,960
the fourth of july so it's okay the

1849
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:12,400
pluto will be in the same place in the

1850
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:13,760
sky it was when the declaration of

1851
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:15,280
independence was being signed so that's

1852
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,319
how ironic

1853
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:18,400
yeah yeah yeah that's america's birthday

1854
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,440
right so that's

1855
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:22,000
that's what people are yeah this is

1856
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,040
going to happen but

1857
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:25,040
astrology has a good sense of humor i

1858
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,079
love it i love it

1859
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:29,280
um okay well you mentioned

1860
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:32,559
um bernie sanders and you mentioned

1861
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,760
earlier in the

1862
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:35,680
the conversation your work with the dsa

1863
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,040
so i'd love to

1864
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,240
talk a little about that um i i

1865
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,280
i've been to events in new york um

1866
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:46,240
with the dsa very powerful amazing

1867
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:49,520
movements going on there and um

1868
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,000
well how does this play into your life

1869
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:54,160
now this is where we really get to

1870
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:57,280
politics and and magic and how they are

1871
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,559
intertwined and

1872
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,640
how do you how do you deal with both of

1873
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,079
these things in your life when it comes

1874
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,160
to your work with the dsa

1875
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:06,240
well it's very interesting right because

1876
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:07,440
historically

1877
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:10,640
um i mean i don't think anybody's like

1878
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:12,799
i think if anybody knows anything about

1879
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,880
communism or marxism or socialism

1880
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,240
probably the line that they know

1881
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,240
is religion is the opium of the masses

1882
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,079
right so they will know that and they

1883
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:21,520
know that like historically

1884
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,839
um they're like or at least they have a

1885
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,040
perception historically

1886
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,319
that the left like leftism has been

1887
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:31,280
uh antagonistic or unfriendly towards

1888
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,480
spirituality

1889
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:34,240
and i think that's definitely true when

1890
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:35,520
we're talking about europe and where

1891
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,400
we're talking about

1892
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:38,160
a lot of parts of the united states it's

1893
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,440
not so much the case when you look at

1894
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,040
places like latin america

1895
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,200
where there's been a really huge embrace

1896
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,599
of socialism by indigenous people

1897
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:47,040
um including like indigenous like

1898
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:48,799
spirituality in that uh if you look at

1899
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:51,200
like the zapatistas or if you look at

1900
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,040
um sorry if you look at abel morales

1901
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:54,960
moss party recently in bolivia that kind

1902
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,920
of thing

1903
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,839
um there's also a huge but a huge

1904
01:02:01,990 --> 01:01:59,280
embrace by socialism

1905
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,000
um by catholicism in latin america uh

1906
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,400
liberation theology is a really big

1907
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:07,280
like socialist movement and um something

1908
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,559
that actually the current pope

1909
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,160
came out of which is why in his

1910
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,760
encyclicals he's very

1911
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,599
adamant about calling out capitalism in

1912
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:15,760
the in cyclicals that he gives out so

1913
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,640
like

1914
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,160
they're not as incompatible as people

1915
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:20,240
think but historically in at least in

1916
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:21,119
like

1917
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:24,559
the west capital w um there has been

1918
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:25,680
some like

1919
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:28,559
animosity towards religion right but

1920
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,200
again

1921
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,520
i think this is really changing recently

1922
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:33,440
and i think that um

1923
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,240
it's really been uh that's that has not

1924
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:38,079
really been my experience i think

1925
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:39,760
especially with witchcraft i think which

1926
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:40,400
is a very

1927
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:43,200
in in socialism right now because of the

1928
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,359
work of people like sylvia federici

1929
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:47,520
and other writers like that i'd like to

1930
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:49,039
include myself in that but

1931
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:52,079
uh who knows i don't know but um where

1932
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,839
you know if you look historically at

1933
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,440
like what witchcraft represented

1934
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,520
like i kind of went into earlier uh

1935
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,520
witchcraft was like the witch trials

1936
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,119
were the cauldron

1937
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:03,920
out of which capitalism came you know it

1938
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:04,319
had

1939
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:06,000
it you know it's if you look at it it

1940
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,440
has all the ingredients

1941
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,280
of what where it was to come later and

1942
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:10,799
all of the things that

1943
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:14,400
uh so in marx's you know philosophy he

1944
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:15,280
has this thing called primitive

1945
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:16,319
accumulation

1946
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,440
so it's whenever a economic system forms

1947
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,039
it the way that the economic system

1948
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:23,839
forms repeats itself kind of in the dna

1949
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,760
code of the of that economic system

1950
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,200
whenever it expands

1951
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,200
so for capitalism it's people have

1952
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,720
always been very interested in finding

1953
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:32,480
like what was that

1954
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,480
primitive accumulation where did it

1955
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:36,319
actually start because that will give a

1956
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,160
clue to like how it functions as an

1957
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:39,599
economic system

1958
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:42,720
uh and increasingly i think a lot of

1959
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:44,559
people have been have really come around

1960
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,400
the idea that the witch trials were the

1961
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:48,160
primitive accumulation of capitalism

1962
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:48,720
that

1963
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:51,039
and the um the subjugation of indigenous

1964
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,240
peoples in

1965
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:54,559
africa and the americas that those two

1966
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,000
things happen simultaneously and

1967
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,720
actually are very connected a lot of the

1968
01:04:01,270 --> 01:04:00,240
technology that was used in the witch

1969
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,280
trials

1970
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:03,839
came from the oppression of indigenous

1971
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:05,119
populations

1972
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:08,319
and you know whether it's the cons

1973
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:09,599
consorting with the devil

1974
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:12,480
the um the actual measures and like the

1975
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,119
dunking

1976
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,839
the burning at stake the executions like

1977
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,200
that all comes from

1978
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,359
tech that was used on indigenous

1979
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,280
populations that was then brought home

1980
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:24,000
to uh europe i think a lot of socialists

1981
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:25,119
and a lot of people on the left have

1982
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:26,000
really come around

1983
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,920
to seeing that as the formation of

1984
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:30,400
capitalism and so it makes witchcraft

1985
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:31,599
kind of i think a very

1986
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:35,039
in thing in a lot of ways um but it's

1987
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:36,480
very interesting right because and i

1988
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:37,280
don't know if you ever

1989
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:40,319
encountered this in ufo land and talking

1990
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:41,839
to people who maybe don't do the work

1991
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:42,799
that you do

1992
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:44,000
but there's a part of me where it's like

1993
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,119
yes yes you know witchcraft is about

1994
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:49,520
the subjugation of the proletariat it is

1995
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:51,039
about women's empowerment

1996
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:53,920
yes it is about uh you know the land and

1997
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:55,760
the commodification of the land yes it

1998
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,799
is about these things

1999
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,640
it's also about [\h__\h] witchcraft like

2000
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:00,720
it is also about the devil

2001
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:04,079
it's also about spirits it is about soul

2002
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:04,640
flight

2003
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:08,319
and leaving your body and doing magic

2004
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:09,760
and like it is about the

2005
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,599
spooky scary [\h__\h] too so like while i

2006
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:13,280
think there is a political dimension to

2007
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:13,599
it

2008
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,559
i'm very adamant to be like yes and like

2009
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:18,400
you cannot separate the two from each

2010
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:19,119
other

2011
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,400
um yeah and so that's kind of uh

2012
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:24,240
something that i i kind of bring to the

2013
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:26,559
table i guess in my own organizing

2014
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:30,799
i think also just again i think it's uh

2015
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,640
an understanding of magic to me has

2016
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:34,319
really helped inform my understanding of

2017
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:35,359
politics

2018
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:38,079
and so uh you know if i can bring that

2019
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:39,839
to an organizing perspective that's

2020
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:40,960
always a positive

2021
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:44,319
for me yeah that's awesome yeah i mean

2022
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:44,880
and

2023
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:46,960
i i i feel the same in the ufo world

2024
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:49,280
like yeah we're talking about like

2025
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:51,520
the possibility of life elsewhere we're

2026
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:52,319
talking about

2027
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:55,520
um breaking down science that has been

2028
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,079
like

2029
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:58,079
ingrained into our minds throughout

2030
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:00,960
history and shattering that and starting

2031
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:03,520
anew in some ways um but at the end of

2032
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:04,559
the day like

2033
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,240
they're fun stories they're weird

2034
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:11,359
like when i hear that like someone was

2035
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,839
taken aboard a craft and brought to mars

2036
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:14,960
giving it to her

2037
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:17,599
and then back to earth like that's cool

2038
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:18,640
to think about

2039
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,760
you know yeah it it gets your

2040
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:23,440
imagination going

2041
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:25,599
um whether it was real or not almost

2042
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:27,520
doesn't matter it's the fact that like

2043
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,520
it's challenging your mind to uh

2044
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:33,440
to think about something other than just

2045
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,599
like now could never happen

2046
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,680
can't bend time and space to get there

2047
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:39,039
whatever um

2048
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:41,599
yeah so i understand that aspect of it

2049
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,240
as well

2050
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:44,799
and i also understand like again this

2051
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,000
ufo world we're living

2052
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:49,119
in where um people are forcing the

2053
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,280
government into a corner to be like

2054
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:53,839
give us some information on ufos because

2055
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:54,640
you can't

2056
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:57,440
we we're gonna find it and we're gonna

2057
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:57,760
and

2058
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,920
stories

2059
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,920
which we know you don't want them to do

2060
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:04,960
like just tell us

2061
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:07,680
and it's working like we're we're

2062
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,319
pushing

2063
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:10,160
back against that bureaucracy that has

2064
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,680
kept these things secret

2065
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:13,839
for so long and this isn't even like

2066
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,920
conspiracy theory this is a fact

2067
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,400
that the government investigated ufo

2068
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:20,319
secretly for eight years

2069
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,440
and didn't nobody knew about it and now

2070
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:25,280
we know about it because someone

2071
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,799
in that program said [\h__\h] it

2072
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:31,039
i'm done i can't believe we're not

2073
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,640
telling the public about what we're

2074
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,920
discovering here

2075
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:35,520
and i can't believe no one is also

2076
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:37,599
taking it seriously i'm out

2077
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,240
and the dude quit the program and then

2078
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:42,240
started his own thing

2079
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,079
to force them to come out with those

2080
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,920
answers that

2081
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:47,280
yeah you know he was a part of the

2082
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:49,039
problem and now he's pr hopefully part

2083
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,920
of the solution

2084
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,839
i guess is a way to put it absolutely

2085
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:53,039
and to me it's like just a big old

2086
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:54,880
middle finger in that [\h__\h] stupid

2087
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:55,359
line

2088
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,920
that uh was said for so long that i feel

2089
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:59,200
like when i was when i was younger i

2090
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:00,160
don't know if this was like the line

2091
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:01,680
that was still being used more recently

2092
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:02,480
but like

2093
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:04,799
oh well if the if the public found out

2094
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:06,640
about ufos being real

2095
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:08,960
there'd be mass panic people would freak

2096
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,400
out and it's like no

2097
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:12,640
like have a little bit of faith like i

2098
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,480
think there's a lot of um

2099
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:16,239
you know this is this extends to the

2100
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,400
political arena as well but i think

2101
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,640
there's this uh sometimes i really do

2102
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,560
think that people's politics can be like

2103
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:24,080
do you like people like do you

2104
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,520
fundamentally like people like do you

2105
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,120
fundamentally trust people

2106
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,120
and like if you can fundamentally trust

2107
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:30,880
that people are going to be able to take

2108
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:34,960
information and like digest it

2109
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:37,839
and be okay with that that's fine you

2110
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,480
know like that's

2111
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,239
to me that's just like that's a big part

2112
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,920
of my politics is i'm like i just like

2113
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,679
people i just want people to be happy

2114
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,520
like i just i'm sick of all this [\h__\h]

2115
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,880
getting in the way of people just being

2116
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:48,560
happy and living like fulfilling lives

2117
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,359
you know

2118
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,679
and it's just a stupid bureaucracy that

2119
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,199
we have to live under every day like

2120
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:55,600
just how how warped and twisted it is

2121
01:09:02,149 --> 01:08:59,199
and to me like ufo disclosure is such a

2122
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,159
that's a like it just to me it's very

2123
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:03,440
affirming because it's like yeah people

2124
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:04,960
didn't lose their minds like people

2125
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:07,120
we didn't all run out into the streets

2126
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,000
like it was the

2127
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,839
uh you know the broadcast of the day

2128
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,279
they're uh having the dating

2129
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:14,080
still where the worlds it's like well

2130
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,640
the world's

2131
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,920
like we're all just gonna run outside

2132
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,440
and think the aliens are attacking us

2133
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:19,199
it's like no people can digest this

2134
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,480
stuff and people can

2135
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:23,600
be rational about these things you know

2136
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,480
good point i mean and that goes for like

2137
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:28,080
yeah i don't think we give our fellow

2138
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,759
human beings enough credit

2139
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,359
uh that goes for the whole ancient alien

2140
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:32,799
theory as well like

2141
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,000
yes we were brilliant we are extremely

2142
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:37,920
capable of building the pyramids and

2143
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,560
these

2144
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,239
beautiful incredible things throughout

2145
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:42,719
history um especially people of color

2146
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:43,839
who built them

2147
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:47,279
uh and let's strip them of all of that

2148
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,000
by saying

2149
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,199
aliens helped them you know so yeah i

2150
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,719
think it goes there's a lot of ways you

2151
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:54,880
could look at it and look i know i have

2152
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,280
listeners and viewers who are um

2153
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:02,000
either right wing or um a supporter of

2154
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:02,800
the president

2155
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:05,120
and i have people on the other end of

2156
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:06,000
the spectrum

2157
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,760
and i think what that says truly is that

2158
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:11,920
there are things beyond politics that

2159
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:14,080
can we can all connect with

2160
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:16,000
and um like you said you just want

2161
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:17,120
people to be happy

2162
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,960
of course that's what i want too i may

2163
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,960
be more leaning than a lot of my

2164
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,239
listeners and everything

2165
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,480
but that doesn't mean like i want this

2166
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:26,400
person on the right to like have a heart

2167
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:27,760
attack and die

2168
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:29,920
it just means like we have different

2169
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:32,159
idealisms and that's the way

2170
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:35,360
that politics i think the more

2171
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,960
evil side of it creeps in and they

2172
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,560
divide us instead of bringing us

2173
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:43,280
together and what brings us together

2174
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:46,480
witchcraft ufos together

2175
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:50,159
yes these are the things these magical

2176
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:51,440
things in our world

2177
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,679
that we deny that could actually bring

2178
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:54,719
us more together

2179
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:56,960
so i think there's so much to unpack

2180
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:58,000
there too yeah

2181
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,679
and i think it's about also staying

2182
01:11:01,830 --> 01:11:01,520
humble to a certain extent where it's

2183
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:01,840
like

2184
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:07,520
whatever and i'm sure some people are

2185
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,560
like oh what

2186
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,880
but it's like even then i say that and

2187
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:12,000
i'm like

2188
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,280
i you know i say that because it's the

2189
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:15,040
closest political definition i can come

2190
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:15,520
to what i

2191
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:18,560
am but i don't think like marx was

2192
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:19,199
necessarily

2193
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,640
somebody who had every single thing

2194
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,239
right like i don't think that any

2195
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:24,320
philosopher had everything right i don't

2196
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,600
think that

2197
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,360
you know any any of these guys like

2198
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:29,760
bakunen or or luxembourg or any any of

2199
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:30,640
those guys like had

2200
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:35,360
100 it down especially nowadays

2201
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:36,640
you know there were certain historical

2202
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,440
things that they just couldn't

2203
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:39,120
anticipate like marx didn't know that

2204
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:40,640
the internet was going to be a thing one

2205
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,040
day

2206
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:43,679
they nobody anticipated drone technology

2207
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:44,080
or

2208
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:47,840
stuff so it's like to me

2209
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:50,960
it's about uh doing magic and

2210
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,000
being engaged in the paranormal is uh

2211
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,560
about staying humble because whenever

2212
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:58,480
you think you have things figured out

2213
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:59,760
whenever you think you're on top of it

2214
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:01,040
and you're like no okay i've got i've

2215
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:02,480
got politics down i know what the

2216
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:03,360
answers are

2217
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:05,199
i know exactly what we got to do and

2218
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,880
then it's just like

2219
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,719
like again that that door opens up and

2220
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,080
something else [\h__\h] weird

2221
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:12,480
comes out you're like well i don't know

2222
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,600
[\h__\h] i guess

2223
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:16,320
yeah and welcome to anarchy i mean it's

2224
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,320
about breaking things down and building

2225
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:20,159
them back up in a whole

2226
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,159
new light and again that's where these

2227
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:24,080
things we do

2228
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:26,239
that's where it lays i i honestly

2229
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:27,440
believe that um

2230
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:30,719
well okay so i guess moving away from

2231
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,760
politics

2232
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,840
not really actually this is actually has

2233
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,280
a lot to do with politics

2234
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:37,520
um and this will be my last question

2235
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:45,270
yeah especially american politics um

2236
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,320
like we said earlier super tumultuous um

2237
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:50,159
i have a pit in my stomach and

2238
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,360
every day i wake up um and like you said

2239
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:55,040
we're in the middle of a pandemic on top

2240
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,080
of that and

2241
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,199
ufo disclosure and genocides around the

2242
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:01,040
world and just like

2243
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:03,600
everything all at once and it's always

2244
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:04,080
there

2245
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:05,679
in some form but i think it's been

2246
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:07,920
amplified tenfold by

2247
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:10,719
technology on the internet and and

2248
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:12,560
everything like that but um

2249
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,400
let's talk about the election in america

2250
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:18,560
in terms of voting now i remember you

2251
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:21,440
saying i believe it was in the book um

2252
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:24,719
or an interview voting is just a tactic

2253
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,480
so i voted i assume you voted

2254
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,560
millions of americans voted earlier than

2255
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,000
they ever have before

2256
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,120
which is amazing and awesome um

2257
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,760
please go vote please please vote no

2258
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:39,280
matter who you vote for just

2259
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,400
do it just do it so this is i actually

2260
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,000
haven't voted yet because i'm voting on

2261
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,080
election day because mercury will be

2262
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,960
direct then and i do not this particular

2263
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:50,400
immigration retrograde is very

2264
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:53,199
intense and i do not trust it so i am

2265
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,719
waiting until i am actually going to

2266
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:56,239
stand in line on election day and vote

2267
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,719
because i

2268
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,880
i do not trust this for your retrograde

2269
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:00,400
i'm waiting until it's over

2270
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:03,520
but yeah good for you um no it's like

2271
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:05,040
it's weird so like i guess for me like

2272
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:06,640
tactic versus strategy right is that the

2273
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:07,040
question

2274
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:10,000
yeah okay so this is maybe like i mean

2275
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:11,360
check out the book i go into it more

2276
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:12,000
there but

2277
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:14,960
something that i think is um uh for

2278
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,719
anybody for any political delineation

2279
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:18,480
that's listening to this right now uh

2280
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,320
one thing that's very important to

2281
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,239
understand is that there is a difference

2282
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:24,719
between political tactics and political

2283
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:25,679
strategy

2284
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:28,560
and people confuse these two ideas a lot

2285
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:28,880
so

2286
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:31,040
and people and people do it on literally

2287
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,800
every side of the political spectrum i

2288
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,159
see people do it

2289
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:37,280
on the far left far right center liberal

2290
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,880
conservative whatever like i see people

2291
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:40,640
confusing these a lot so

2292
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,679
a tactic is something that you use

2293
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:45,920
in the service of a greater strategy so

2294
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,800
like for me

2295
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:48,560
let's say like i'm a socialist organizer

2296
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:50,080
i want to build socialism eventually

2297
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:51,280
right that may not be what you're trying

2298
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:52,400
to do if you're listening at home but

2299
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:53,760
like for me that's what i'm out here

2300
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:54,560
trying to do

2301
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:57,679
um that is this the strategy for me is

2302
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,199
like the the long-term narrative and

2303
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,120
goal of how i make that happen

2304
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:05,679
then there are tactics in between how i

2305
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:06,320
do that

2306
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:08,239
if you want to break it down even um

2307
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:09,760
even more simple than that

2308
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:12,000
like let's say the the long-term

2309
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:13,520
strategy like

2310
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,199
i'll use a personal example for myself

2311
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:17,440
so i live in queens in new york

2312
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:21,120
uh there is a bunch of uh power plants

2313
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:23,679
here uh that pump out most of new york

2314
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,880
city's energy

2315
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:27,520
and uh they're incredibly dirty the

2316
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:28,640
neighborhood that i live in has the

2317
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,679
highest rate of asthma

2318
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,920
in all of the state because of these

2319
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:33,120
these factories

2320
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:36,159
and uh it's not necessary right there so

2321
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,080
there's a lot that um can be

2322
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,320
you know shut down or you know should be

2323
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,800
converted over to more renewable energy

2324
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,880
and my working group right now is in the

2325
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:46,000
process of doing a

2326
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:47,280
campaign called the public power

2327
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,120
campaign so we believe that the

2328
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:52,320
energy and uh you know

2329
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:55,600
power should be uh publicly owned and

2330
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:56,239
operated

2331
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:57,679
good like it should be seen as a public

2332
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:59,679
good and not a commodity so

2333
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:02,000
uh basically what we're trying to do is

2334
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,280
break the grid in new york city down

2335
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,120
into smaller microgrids

2336
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:07,600
that the community would have direct

2337
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,960
control over and

2338
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,760
direct uh ways to vote on how the energy

2339
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,719
is used

2340
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:14,800
the way the places that it comes from

2341
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:16,159
this has already been done in places in

2342
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:17,920
new york city like in sunset park this

2343
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:19,360
group of upros recently

2344
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,760
created the first uh solar co-op in this

2345
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,600
in the um in the country i think

2346
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:25,840
so it's that this place in sunset park

2347
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:26,640
literally

2348
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:29,199
the whole community has a has a buy-in

2349
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:29,760
has a

2350
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:32,400
democratic buy-in to the grid and they

2351
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:33,040
voted

2352
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,080
to do green energy and to do like have a

2353
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,239
solar co-op so now this whole area in

2354
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,760
sunset park is 100

2355
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:41,760
renewable because of democratic control

2356
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:42,880
so that's where we're trying to get back

2357
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,080
to people right

2358
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,400
so that's like the goal and the longer

2359
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:48,080
strategy of the goal is things like okay

2360
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:48,800
we have to get

2361
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,960
electeds put into place that are

2362
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:54,560
sympathetic to our

2363
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:57,199
goals we want uh to shut down certain

2364
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:58,640
power plants that would stay in the way

2365
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,400
that would set us back on our timeline

2366
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,400
when we have to fix global warming by

2367
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,360
uh we want to implement certain laws

2368
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:07,120
that would make this organizing easier

2369
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,080
that kind of thing

2370
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,320
those are uh those are strategies within

2371
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,000
the service of this larger goal

2372
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:14,320
and then tactics are like the individual

2373
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:15,840
things that you do so that could be

2374
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:19,440
engaging in a protest voting um

2375
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,400
letter writing petitioning um doing

2376
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,239
direct action of some sort

2377
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:26,719
uh door knocking and canvassing these

2378
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:28,840
are all tactics

2379
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:32,159
and there is

2380
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,520
um you know within a movement

2381
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,840
there's always a debate to be had over

2382
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:39,120
whether tactics are

2383
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:41,280
effective or not right so for instance

2384
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,320
like you can have

2385
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:44,080
like people might have a lot of debate

2386
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,640
over like if shutting down a highway

2387
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,960
is an effective tactic in a protest or

2388
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,800
not like does that actually help that

2389
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:51,920
movement or not

2390
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:52,960
i personally think that's kind of a

2391
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,640
case-by-case basis sort of thing my some

2392
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:56,000
people might get mad at me for that

2393
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,600
i you know i've been stuck in traffic i

2394
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:59,360
hate it too there's but that's like what

2395
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,000
i mean is like

2396
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:02,239
that is not a crisis of protesting it is

2397
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:03,280
a criticism of

2398
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,159
that particular tactic of protesting

2399
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:08,000
right

2400
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:10,080
like to me it's like i like to get very

2401
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:11,440
specific with these things because i

2402
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:12,880
think a lot of political

2403
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:14,800
arguments come from a lack of

2404
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:16,159
specificity so

2405
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,520
being specific with our language is i

2406
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,960
think very important um and what we're

2407
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:19,920
talking about

2408
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:23,120
um so it's you can agree with the goal

2409
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,719
of a protest but maybe disagree with the

2410
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:26,640
tactic and how they go about that right

2411
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:29,760
um so for me voting should best be

2412
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:30,320
understood

2413
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:33,520
as a tactic towards a greater strategy

2414
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:34,320
of change

2415
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:35,920
and i think that this is where a lot of

2416
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,159
people have um

2417
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,320
feel very hopeless and very lost right

2418
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:41,840
now i mean me personally

2419
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:44,480
it's like joe biden super not my first

2420
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:44,880
choice

2421
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,640
honest right and i remember when he was

2422
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,480
first uh nominated i was like [\h__\h] this

2423
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,080
i am not voting for this man like

2424
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:54,480
[\h__\h] this [\h__\h] [\h__\h] everyone [\h__\h] you

2425
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:55,600
[\h__\h] you [\h__\h] you

2426
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,080
like you're okay [\h__\h] you like it's you

2427
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,920
know i was so bad about it right

2428
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,760
i think what i eventually come around to

2429
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:03,040
is like i think

2430
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,239
what upset me at first was like um

2431
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:08,480
neither uh voting for joe biden not

2432
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:09,679
voting for joe biden

2433
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:11,600
neither side seem to have a strategy

2434
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:13,360
right like a coherent strategy where

2435
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,640
it's like to me it's like

2436
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,640
if you want to not vote for joe biden

2437
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:18,800
that's cool but what's your strategy

2438
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:20,800
after that right like what is what is

2439
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:23,920
not what is the tactical

2440
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:26,000
reasoning behind not voting for this

2441
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:27,280
person

2442
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:29,440
in the service of a larger goal right

2443
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:31,280
and you can make that argument but i

2444
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:32,880
just don't see it being made

2445
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,000
in very uh satisfactory ways

2446
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,400
love the time i also don't really find

2447
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:40,400
it very satisfactory to vote for joe

2448
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,960
biden

2449
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,040
and then hope that he'll move leftward

2450
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:45,120
however i think that there's slightly

2451
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:46,000
more

2452
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,760
weight to that argument like i think

2453
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:49,520
that there's just slightly more

2454
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:51,440
uh weight to that strategy and that

2455
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,800
tactic and saying okay

2456
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:54,480
we don't like either person but joe

2457
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:55,920
biden is at least going to like

2458
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,560
give a passing like to the left in a way

2459
01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:00,560
that donald trump will not right

2460
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:02,239
and he'll be like at least on the

2461
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:05,120
surface level more uh respectful of our

2462
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:06,719
goals than donald trump will right he's

2463
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:07,520
not going to jail

2464
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:09,600
all of us probably right so there's like

2465
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:10,639
a

2466
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:16,080
voting

2467
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:17,760
and i'm very sympathetic to both because

2468
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:19,600
it's like i don't like the situation

2469
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:20,400
we're in either

2470
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:21,679
but i think when you break it down and

2471
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,840
you think about voting as a tactic in

2472
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:25,760
service of a larger goal and a larger

2473
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:26,560
strategy

2474
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:28,159
becomes a little bit easier to

2475
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:29,600
understand

2476
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:32,320
what you're actually doing and i think

2477
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,120
yeah like

2478
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:35,280
it's it's moving beyond just the vote

2479
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:36,480
don't vote discourse

2480
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:40,080
right just like don't vote

2481
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:41,679
it's like you know like let's just

2482
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,639
actually think about what we're doing

2483
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,000
for a second right

2484
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:46,480
yeah totally and i mean it again it's

2485
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:47,600
putting

2486
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:50,800
what you want you know in your mind in

2487
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:51,679
your heart

2488
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:54,159
and everything into action and that's

2489
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:54,960
why

2490
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,480
you know we've talked so much about

2491
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,320
activism in this conversation

2492
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,159
and politics which i'm sure a lot of my

2493
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:02,080
listeners and viewers weren't expecting

2494
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:02,880
but like

2495
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,440
too damn bad like that's that's where

2496
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:06,960
that's what this is about

2497
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:10,000
and i again that idea of politics and

2498
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:10,880
magic

2499
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:13,600
and um you know this this weird dance

2500
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:14,560
between the two

2501
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:17,679
is is extremely eye-opening and i hope

2502
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,480
people will

2503
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,639
be open to that watching and listening

2504
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:21,760
to this um

2505
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:25,679
and for sure like it's it's

2506
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,719
extremely interesting you know i i i'm

2507
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:30,480
doing this halloween series so there's a

2508
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:31,360
very surface

2509
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:34,639
level um to that and that's

2510
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:37,840
pumpkins owls witches and all this fun

2511
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:38,560
stuff but

2512
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:42,080
at the core of it um this is about a

2513
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:42,800
movement

2514
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:45,760
throughout history in many different

2515
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,560
ways

2516
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,639
and i think that's amazing and again no

2517
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,159
matter what side of the

2518
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:52,400
political spectrum you lean on you can

2519
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:53,600
find something

2520
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:56,320
empowering about what i think witchcraft

2521
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:57,920
represents so i hope

2522
01:22:01,430 --> 01:22:00,719
people will embrace that but um here's

2523
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:01,440
my uh

2524
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,760
my back to hollywood for you sarah um

2525
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:05,360
before we get to some listener questions

2526
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,639
if you're willing to stick around for

2527
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:08,159
that absolutely yes

2528
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,400
cool cool i had more than i ever

2529
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:12,080
expected which is awesome i'm super

2530
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:12,719
excited

2531
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,159
um let's end with mysteries decoded on

2532
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:18,719
the cw network a show you and i are both

2533
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:21,440
a part of um i don't know about you but

2534
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:23,120
when this first came about i was like

2535
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:23,679
what

2536
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:26,400
like it just like happened fell out of

2537
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:26,960
the sky

2538
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:29,520
but what was the experience like uh what

2539
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:31,600
was your episode about that you did of

2540
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,800
mysteries decoded

2541
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:34,719
and what was that whole experience like

2542
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,159
working um

2543
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:38,960
i guess with hollywood on trying to get

2544
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,679
the word out

2545
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:42,080
about witches and witchcraft yeah yeah

2546
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:43,520
well for you it literally fell out of

2547
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:44,960
the sky because you were talking about

2548
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,320
it yeah felon crashed right yeah

2549
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:52,320
um no it was great i i mean it was kind

2550
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:53,440
of um

2551
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:55,040
it was kind of a dream come true in a

2552
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:56,480
little bit of a way because i

2553
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:58,239
so i grew up in massachusetts and i grew

2554
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,159
up going to salem

2555
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:02,639
every october it's like going to salem

2556
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:04,000
was what made me want to be a witch

2557
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:06,000
someday because i was you know

2558
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,000
uh i it was like a place i would go and

2559
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:09,520
i didn't feel so weird right

2560
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,360
like that one time of year i was like

2561
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:13,199
okay yeah people really do do this and

2562
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:14,639
people really

2563
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,480
practice the stuff and like there are

2564
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,239
really there's a there's a world

2565
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,800
out there for me somewhere and i can

2566
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:22,639
there's gonna be a day where i could be

2567
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:23,679
part of that

2568
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,560
and so you know salem is a big it's a

2569
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,560
big part of my heart you know a lot a

2570
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:30,320
big part of like who i am comes from

2571
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:31,199
that place

2572
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:34,320
and so actually getting to go there and

2573
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:36,320
talk about the salem witchcraft trials

2574
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:39,280
and talk about the history of that place

2575
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,760
and

2576
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:41,600
you know actually getting to hold

2577
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,080
historical documents in my hands and

2578
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:45,600
go to these places like get an

2579
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:47,600
all-access pass to places that i

2580
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:49,520
normally wouldn't be able to go to

2581
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:51,440
was incredible it's like a dream come

2582
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:53,040
true for someone like me

2583
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:56,159
so i was i was super into that um and

2584
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:56,560
it's

2585
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:00,080
had done

2586
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:03,199
some smaller scale things

2587
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:05,920
from that before so i have done i did

2588
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,960
some work with vice

2589
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,480
um actually i did i don't know if you've

2590
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:11,280
ever talked to um the queer paranormal

2591
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:14,239
uh people yeah absolutely i did a

2592
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:15,600
documentary on them for advice when i

2593
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:16,000
was working

2594
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,679
with them a while back yeah that's

2595
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:19,120
that's a shame and all the check

2596
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:23,280
out everybody yeah um yeah so i i got to

2597
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:27,120
hang out with them in um in ohio and

2598
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,960
then in seattle at this film festival

2599
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:30,320
they're at so i had

2600
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:31,840
i had done kind of smaller scale things

2601
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,520
like that and like a video like so

2602
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,440
you know like i said like october is the

2603
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,960
season of the witch so i had done kind

2604
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:38,400
of videos i'm like what is witchcraft

2605
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:40,639
before but that was my first kind of

2606
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,400
larger scale uh tv appearance and

2607
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:46,560
i don't know i'm a leo so anytime i get

2608
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:47,920
treated like talent

2609
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,360
i'm like i'm invited yeah

2610
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:53,600
um but yeah just as a just as a witch it

2611
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:55,120
was like such a dream come true to just

2612
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:55,520
like

2613
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:58,560
visit those places talk to people uh

2614
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:01,920
really get into that case on a very

2615
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:04,400
uh a very deep level so i i loved it

2616
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:05,360
yeah

2617
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:08,639
point um

2618
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:11,280
and full disclosure uh we're both leos

2619
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,880
uh which we connected on earlier and

2620
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:14,719
also we live like blocks apart in new

2621
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:16,000
york city which is

2622
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,920
insane even though i'm like thousands

2623
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:19,679
and thousands of miles away right now

2624
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,880
uh we probably could have done this in

2625
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:22,960
person but we would miss the season of

2626
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:25,280
the witch so um

2627
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:28,719
hollywood i guess i hate using that word

2628
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:30,000
hollywood um

2629
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:33,840
television yeah yeah

2630
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:36,719
television affords you resources that

2631
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,360
you might

2632
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:39,600
not otherwise have as an independent

2633
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,639
researcher

2634
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,639
and stuff like that so you know

2635
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:44,719
embracing those aspects of it is amazing

2636
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:45,760
like you said

2637
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,800
like you touched documents i put my feet

2638
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:50,719
on the ground of the impact site where a

2639
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:51,679
ufo

2640
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:53,920
might have crashed a place i never in my

2641
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:55,440
life thought i would be

2642
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:58,639
and that was life-changing for me no

2643
01:26:02,950 --> 01:25:59,920
matter what happened

2644
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,960
back then in 1947 when something crashed

2645
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,159
in roswell um

2646
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:06,719
i was there and you you know you can

2647
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:08,239
just feel the history and

2648
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:09,679
and everything around you which is

2649
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:12,400
awesome so i'm sure that was a really

2650
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:16,159
um defining kind of journey for you as

2651
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,560
well

2652
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,560
uh what did you come out on the other

2653
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,480
side thinking about what you guys looked

2654
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:22,320
into you kind of looked at like

2655
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,159
the witch trials and then like stuff

2656
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:25,920
going on in modern day

2657
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:29,520
um in terms of like you know paranoia

2658
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:31,920
and hysteria and all these all these

2659
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,880
other things um

2660
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,920
yeah what'd you come out on the other

2661
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:36,000
side thinking after that yeah you know

2662
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,000
paranoia and hysteria thankfully

2663
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,040
not very relevant topics to today in

2664
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:44,000
our lives at all um not one bit no one's

2665
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:45,520
losing their minds over anything

2666
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:49,199
um so yeah yeah very calm times

2667
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,760
very normal uh yeah so it was

2668
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,280
interesting right because

2669
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:55,440
um at first i i was actually a little

2670
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:57,040
bit afraid that i was going to be made

2671
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,000
to be like

2672
01:27:01,270 --> 01:27:00,080
uh demons are real and they were all

2673
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:01,280
possessed by demons

2674
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:03,199
and these girls are also possessed by

2675
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:05,199
demons like that's what's going on

2676
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,800
and that's like not what i think

2677
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:08,880
happened in salem so i was a little bit

2678
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,639
afraid i was gonna get put into a corner

2679
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:12,080
where i was gonna have to be like the

2680
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:12,960
weirdo

2681
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:15,120
that's like saying that's like to be the

2682
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,320
counterweight to jen

2683
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,800
who's very skeptical and very like not a

2684
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:20,480
believer in any of this stuff

2685
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,840
uh i thought i was gonna have to be the

2686
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,440
extreme other like i was gonna have to

2687
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:25,360
really be the molder and be like well

2688
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:25,760
what

2689
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,960
was the devil and like i uh

2690
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,719
i didn't have to go that far because i

2691
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:32,400
think we kind of did agree on a lot of

2692
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:32,800
the

2693
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:35,360
sort of socio-economic maybe reasons

2694
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:36,800
behind the salem witchcraft

2695
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:38,159
trials and what was going on

2696
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:39,600
historically at the time that kind of

2697
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:40,239
thing

2698
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,600
i think if i was gonna get a little bit

2699
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:43,600
weirder with it right like if i'm gonna

2700
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,560
talk you know talk the lines now that i

2701
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:48,880
that got cut maybe for the other yeah

2702
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:50,800
uh it's weird right like so the whole

2703
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:52,000
thing if people haven't seen these at

2704
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:53,520
the episode or haven't seen the show

2705
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:54,560
uh the two things that we're

2706
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:56,960
investigating are the salem witchcraft

2707
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:00,239
uh panic the salem which panic of 1692

2708
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,600
and uh the this mysterious

2709
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,360
occurrence that happened in this town

2710
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:07,360
danvers which is old salem village in

2711
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,480
massachusetts

2712
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:10,560
where a bunch of girls on this soccer

2713
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,159
team suddenly fell

2714
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,400
into fifths that were very similar to

2715
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:16,000
the fits that were experienced by the

2716
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:16,880
young girls

2717
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,320
in the original salem bush trial so

2718
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:22,080
uh obviously it's very weird because

2719
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:23,679
it's basically the same thing

2720
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:26,639
happening 300 years apart in the same

2721
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:27,199
exact

2722
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:30,880
place um so it's

2723
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:33,120
it is a very weird you know thing it's

2724
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:33,920
and

2725
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:35,520
uh you know i hesitate to say

2726
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:37,360
coincidence because

2727
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:38,880
people in my line of work don't really

2728
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:42,159
believe in coincidences right

2729
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,760
we call that a synchronicity not a

2730
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:45,280
coincidence um

2731
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:48,320
yeah so there to me i guess what i would

2732
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:48,800
say

2733
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:51,840
is that um beyond

2734
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,199
the you know obvious you know

2735
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,679
socioeconomic like scientific reasons

2736
01:29:02,149 --> 01:28:59,520
that we can talk about about

2737
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:02,159
how stressful it is to be a teenager and

2738
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:03,520
especially being a teenage girl

2739
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:04,560
especially in

2740
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,880
1600s you know i don't know what was

2741
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:08,320
going on at this high school but it

2742
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:09,920
certainly seemed like maybe a stressful

2743
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:11,280
time period for like a lot of these

2744
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:12,080
people

2745
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,719
um for me it also speaks a little bit to

2746
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:16,239
just the spirit of that land

2747
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:17,600
like i think that that's just something

2748
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:18,800
that we're not really comfortable

2749
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:19,840
talking about

2750
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:21,520
and that i get why i didn't really make

2751
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,960
it onto the episode because it's just

2752
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:24,480
hard to talk about like

2753
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:26,080
how do you counter that how do you how

2754
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:27,920
do you make sense of that um

2755
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,719
there's a to me it's like okay well

2756
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:32,960
maybe the land around salem

2757
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:35,520
and the that place just lends itself to

2758
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,639
hysteria like

2759
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:38,560
this is just something that's there

2760
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:40,480
that's just a spirit that exists in that

2761
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:41,280
place

2762
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:43,600
and kind of talking about the devil as

2763
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:44,960
being not a guy

2764
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:47,920
and not a literal spirit but as just

2765
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:51,040
chaos like as the trickster elements in

2766
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,199
in the paranormal which is how i kind of

2767
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:55,120
think of the devil as just that

2768
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,120
that weird [\h__\h] right the fact that uh

2769
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,800
you know going off sorry like i'm just

2770
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:00,239
plugging my computer in because i

2771
01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:03,040
oh no worries my computer's about to die

2772
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,400
okay

2773
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:06,239
i'm sorry but yeah like i think if we're

2774
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,840
talking about you know

2775
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:09,600
the paranormal and we're talking about

2776
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:11,199
uh things like

2777
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:14,239
how the the gimbal footage for bigfoot

2778
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:15,040
was faked

2779
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:17,199
the fact that some people fake uh alien

2780
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:19,360
sightings fake uh bigfoot sightings

2781
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,040
and how that's part of it like that's

2782
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:23,760
actually that is the devil like that is

2783
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:24,400
the

2784
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:27,440
sir in that thing and and to point at

2785
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:28,159
that and say

2786
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:30,320
see every that makes everything fake is

2787
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:31,280
kind of missing

2788
01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:34,880
the larger phenomenology at hand

2789
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:37,360
and like what is going on so to me you

2790
01:30:40,709 --> 01:30:39,520
know with the girls on the soccer field

2791
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:40,719
with the girls in

2792
01:30:47,350 --> 01:30:44,719
in old salem i think it might have been

2793
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:47,360
a very similar thing at play where i

2794
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:49,040
don't know if there's a

2795
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:50,800
an explanation like a physical

2796
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:52,880
explanation beyond

2797
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:56,400
you know um yeah like the spirit of that

2798
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:56,800
place

2799
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:59,520
just being home to being very at home

2800
01:31:03,189 --> 01:30:59,840
with

2801
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:03,199
things like that happening uh salem is a

2802
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:05,040
very hysterical town like there's a lot

2803
01:31:08,229 --> 01:31:06,560
of weirdos who live there

2804
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:08,239
and i love them with all of my heart and

2805
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:10,080
soul and i love salem but like you can't

2806
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:12,400
say it's a normal place

2807
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:16,000
right and uh you know it's

2808
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:17,600
just part of the dna up there and i

2809
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:19,040
think that that's

2810
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:22,480
good and it's yeah

2811
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:25,840
yeah yeah and i think it's um

2812
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:28,080
it's really important for places like

2813
01:31:32,390 --> 01:31:29,600
that to embrace it

2814
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:32,400
instead of denying it i mean roswell is

2815
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:33,120
a small

2816
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:35,280
small town that honestly probably

2817
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,159
wouldn't

2818
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:38,239
have survived up until today without

2819
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:39,679
that ufo crash

2820
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:41,040
having happened and of course you're

2821
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:43,120
going to find locals who don't ever want

2822
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:45,440
to talk about it or be known for that

2823
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:47,840
but they have a festival every year that

2824
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:48,560
draws

2825
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:50,800
thousands of people in and it supports

2826
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:53,120
the communities for the entire year

2827
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:56,560
so like there is a good thing to come

2828
01:32:02,470 --> 01:31:59,920
of an event that um we

2829
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:02,480
will probably never know the answers to

2830
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:03,280
so like just

2831
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:04,960
embrace that that's how i feel whether

2832
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:07,760
it's mothman in west virginia or

2833
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:10,480
the witch trials in salem or what have

2834
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:11,040
you

2835
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:13,679
like embrace the weird embrace the weird

2836
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:14,080
[\h__\h]

2837
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:17,520
um we are yeah yeah

2838
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:21,440
i know i embrace the weird that's it

2839
01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:24,960
okay i'm glad you agree um let's uh

2840
01:32:30,149 --> 01:32:27,679
let's move on to some listener questions

2841
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:30,159
these should be fun um again i didn't

2842
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:31,600
know what to expect when i put this out

2843
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,080
there but

2844
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:34,560
man people were really excited to hear

2845
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:36,320
from you sarah so um

2846
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:38,560
let's start with david david on facebook

2847
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:39,520
asks

2848
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:41,040
sarah thank you so much for being

2849
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:43,679
interviewed how compatible

2850
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:46,159
is witchcraft with organized religion we

2851
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:47,360
didn't really touch on organized

2852
01:32:50,149 --> 01:32:48,400
religion too much

2853
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:50,159
um what are the challenges of your

2854
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:51,440
practice with those

2855
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:54,719
in your family friends work um in terms

2856
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:55,440
of all that

2857
01:32:58,629 --> 01:32:58,080
yeah interesting that's a good question

2858
01:33:03,270 --> 01:32:58,639
i

2859
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,280
wasn't

2860
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:05,040
out to my family about the stuff that i

2861
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:06,800
did until i got a book deal

2862
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:10,000
and then was like surprise of you know

2863
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:12,400
like i do we have a witch in the family

2864
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:16,159
um so uh but you know

2865
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:17,840
having said that they've been really

2866
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:19,199
supportive and really

2867
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:21,520
uh really cool with everything so that's

2868
01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:22,560
been good

2869
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:25,840
um for me in terms of religion

2870
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:28,080
and oh and in terms of everyone else in

2871
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:29,040
my life like

2872
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:30,960
i live in new york city i think like you

2873
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,480
throw a rock and you hit a witch at this

2874
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:34,560
point

2875
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:36,080
you know like a lot of girls are into

2876
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,080
witchcraft these days and you know

2877
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:40,320
the witches of bushwick are very real

2878
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:41,280
right so

2879
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:44,560
um there's uh so yeah like i it's it's i

2880
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:45,280
think becoming

2881
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:47,360
far more accepted in at least in my

2882
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:48,880
community and like where i live

2883
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:50,800
um in terms of organized religion in

2884
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:52,400
witchcraft that's a very good question

2885
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:55,040
um historically i would say like

2886
01:33:58,950 --> 01:33:56,080
witchcraft

2887
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:58,960
and kind of folk magic i've a quote that

2888
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,480
i heard a while ago that i like is

2889
01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:02,400
uh you know witchcraft begins where the

2890
01:34:06,629 --> 01:34:04,159
priest ends so

2891
01:34:07,669 --> 01:34:06,639
kind of where organized thought

2892
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:07,679
organized religion

2893
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:10,080
mainstream thought ends that's when you

2894
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:11,600
enter the domain of witchcraft

2895
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:13,040
or the dominant of witchcraft we're

2896
01:34:14,950 --> 01:34:14,320
going to get like charles ford up in

2897
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:14,960
here right

2898
01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:16,800
like that's that's everything everything

2899
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:18,239
that we do beyond that is what is

2900
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:19,520
witchcraft so

2901
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:22,239
i um so while there are things like

2902
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:22,880
wicca

2903
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:25,280
that try to kind of make witchcraft into

2904
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:26,239
a religion

2905
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:27,679
i do think that witchcraft is

2906
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:29,840
fundamentally kind of an undefinable

2907
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,920
thing it is a very fundamentally weird

2908
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,440
eclectic sort of thing

2909
01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:35,520
that doesn't really fit into being an

2910
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:37,679
organized religion itself right

2911
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:39,679
um having said that i don't think that

2912
01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:40,880
um

2913
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:42,480
like historically if you look at it if

2914
01:34:45,430 --> 01:34:43,840
you're trying to maybe make something

2915
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:45,440
like oh witchcraft compatible with

2916
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:46,880
something like christianity

2917
01:34:53,109 --> 01:34:50,000
um historically folk magic practitioners

2918
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:53,119
use the bible a lot and used saints

2919
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:56,159
a lot if you look at the psalms the book

2920
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:58,560
of psalms is basically a spell book

2921
01:35:01,830 --> 01:35:01,040
um you know there's a lot to be had for

2922
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:01,840
that so

2923
01:35:06,149 --> 01:35:03,840
if you're trying to kind of synchronize

2924
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:06,159
or um put those two parts of your life

2925
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:07,760
together in terms of

2926
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:10,480
christianity and uh witchcraft there's a

2927
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,239
lot to be had there there's a lot of

2928
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:14,400
really rich history if you look at

2929
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:17,280
old grimoires old spell books um

2930
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:18,880
especially if you if you uh

2931
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,360
like the pendle witches and uh you know

2932
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:22,960
isabel gowdy these types of people

2933
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:23,920
historically

2934
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:26,080
were using the bible and we're using uh

2935
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:28,080
biblical texts and uh

2936
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:30,800
magic that references angels and gods

2937
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:31,760
and and or god

2938
01:35:35,590 --> 01:35:33,760
and uh jesus and these types of figures

2939
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:35,600
right so they're much more compatible

2940
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:37,360
than people might think that they are

2941
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:39,360
um in addition to that i think you know

2942
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:41,040
there's obviously i don't know as much

2943
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:42,080
about the history of

2944
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:44,400
you know witchcraft and things like

2945
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,199
judaism

2946
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,280
or islam other types of organized

2947
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:49,199
religions but i know that there is a

2948
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,320
history there

2949
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:52,800
and uh i would definitely look into it

2950
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:53,520
and so

2951
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:55,440
definitely um i know i know there's a

2952
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,960
lot of jewish folk magic

2953
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:59,040
out there i know that there's a lot of

2954
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:00,880
islamic folk magic out there

2955
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:03,119
so um do a little digging and you might

2956
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:04,880
be surprised at what you find

2957
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,679
yeah absolutely and that and the inner

2958
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,280
relationship too i think is an

2959
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,679
important part too for sure um let's

2960
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:13,199
let's move to spells

2961
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,159
um connie on facebook asks what do you

2962
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:18,239
find to be the most effective way to

2963
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:19,520
gather energy

2964
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:22,800
for use in casting a spell or charm

2965
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,320
oh okay so for me personally um

2966
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:28,800
i i find this fairly easy for myself

2967
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:30,560
like kind of gathering energy to like

2968
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:30,960
charge

2969
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:36,400
the visualization that i usually do is

2970
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,440
kind of like

2971
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:39,360
taking a second taking a breath

2972
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:41,040
visualizing kind of like a ball of

2973
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:41,840
energy like

2974
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:44,000
within myself like within my core and

2975
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:45,760
then having that emanate out

2976
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,560
from my hands or from whatever um that's

2977
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:50,639
usually the kind of visualization that i

2978
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:51,360
do

2979
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:54,159
uh for me it's pretty easy to get into

2980
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:55,040
that mindset

2981
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:57,840
it doesn't take a lot of like chanting

2982
01:37:06,070 --> 01:36:58,639
and

2983
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:06,080
but for you i i mean if it depends if

2984
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:07,360
that's like

2985
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:09,199
if you're trying to latch that on to

2986
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:10,639
something or to

2987
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:13,679
uh you know further that i think

2988
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:16,320
doing just like a a solar like like a

2989
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:17,199
middle pillar

2990
01:37:22,070 --> 01:37:20,320
kind of uh exercise is a very

2991
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:22,080
good and like tried and true way to sort

2992
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:24,320
of bring that energy up through you

2993
01:37:28,149 --> 01:37:26,560
uh sometimes what i'll do is if i'm

2994
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:28,159
trying to like refresh myself i'll maybe

2995
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,840
cleanse a little bit like burn some

2996
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:31,119
rosemary

2997
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:33,119
visualize like kind of light coming down

2998
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:34,719
on top of me and like

2999
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:36,639
soaking that up in some way or like

3000
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:37,920
coming up from the ground

3001
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:41,199
like like a root system um

3002
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:42,800
yeah that's kind of if i feel like i

3003
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:44,320
need a recharge that's that's what i'll

3004
01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:45,440
sometimes do i'll have like

3005
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:47,920
visualizations that i kind of go through

3006
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:48,639
but i

3007
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:50,239
the basic thing that i do if i'm trying

3008
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:52,320
to bless something with energy is a kind

3009
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:52,800
of

3010
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:56,480
going into the object

3011
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:58,719
that's that's what i basically do

3012
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:01,199
awesome visualization is key for sure

3013
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:03,280
um this kind of plays off of that as

3014
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:04,960
well nikita on facebook

3015
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:07,840
asks do you have a favorite banishing

3016
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:10,159
spell or is it faster to just tell some

3017
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:13,040
people to [\h__\h] off it's definitely

3018
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:16,400
faster than some people to [\h__\h] off um

3019
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:18,639
i'm a new yorker now so i just tell

3020
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:20,639
everyone to [\h__\h] up um

3021
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,840
yeah uh for a banishing spell um

3022
01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:25,679
depends on what you want to do and it

3023
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:27,119
depends on how like

3024
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:30,080
what how you want this person out of

3025
01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:30,880
your life

3026
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:35,119
um for me

3027
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:36,960
uh so like one of my favorite protection

3028
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:38,800
spells to do is something called fiery

3029
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:40,480
wall of protection um it comes from

3030
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:41,760
hoodoo and rootwork

3031
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:43,840
uh if you look up online or there are

3032
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,119
recipes you can find

3033
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:48,239
um you know i uh i have a recipe i like

3034
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:48,880
myself

3035
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:51,360
in terms of banishing um yeah so i mean

3036
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,199
look a fiery wall of protection oil

3037
01:38:56,470 --> 01:38:54,719
consider make consider

3038
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:56,480
buying or making some of that and like

3039
01:38:59,669 --> 01:38:58,000
lining your property or your

3040
01:39:03,270 --> 01:38:59,679
phone or your computer however your

3041
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,870
okay because what that will do is it

3042
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,560
will um it won't harm people unless they

3043
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:07,840
try to [\h__\h] with you

3044
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,199
and then if they [\h__\h] with you then they

3045
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,040
will get [\h__\h] with it's like them

3046
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:13,600
you know it's a tripwire so i like that

3047
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:15,280
i don't want to directly harm people but

3048
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:15,920
it's like

3049
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:20,159
keep back um and uh i would i mean maybe

3050
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:20,639
try

3051
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:23,600
nothing wrong with a good old-fashioned

3052
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:25,360
binding like wrapping someone up in

3053
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,159
black tape

3054
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:28,719
uh taking a picture of them uh taking

3055
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:31,119
black masking tape or a black ribbon

3056
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:34,239
and uh coiling that away from you

3057
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,760
over the picture and then putting them

3058
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:37,440
in the back of your freezer just getting

3059
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:38,639
rid of them that way

3060
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:40,960
um that's that's a very effective way to

3061
01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:42,000
go about that

3062
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:45,199
so um yeah i'd say if

3063
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,880
telling the [\h__\h] off isn't working maybe

3064
01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:48,800
try those two ways

3065
01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:51,920
nice yup yup i love it um okay

3066
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:53,920
mike on facebook asks what are some

3067
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:55,679
misconceptions people have about

3068
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:57,119
witchcraft and magic

3069
01:40:01,350 --> 01:39:58,800
we kind of covered that but yeah

3070
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:01,360
anything specific really coming to mind

3071
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:03,679
i feel like i talked a lot about it but

3072
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:04,400
yeah

3073
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:09,040
into what i said like

3074
01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:11,520
trying to make it either all evil or all

3075
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:12,080
good

3076
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:14,880
to me that's oversimplifying it in one

3077
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:16,239
direction or another witchcraft is

3078
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:17,520
really complicated

3079
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:20,320
it's really old it's really uh sometimes

3080
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:22,080
annoyingly complicated how much stuff

3081
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:23,360
there is out there to learn

3082
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:26,320
but i'm a nerd so i love it um but yeah

3083
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:26,639
it's

3084
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:30,880
very complicated and very weird thing

3085
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:31,760
and i think that that's part of the

3086
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:32,880
beauty of it

3087
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:35,440
yeah yeah embrace it um chris on

3088
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,000
facebook

3089
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:38,719
asks as an anglo-saxon brit i

3090
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:40,159
specifically interested in the

3091
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:41,840
relationship to the history and culture

3092
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:42,800
of witchcraft

3093
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:45,119
in europe and in england specifically he

3094
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:45,920
says

3095
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:47,840
i know a little about the green man

3096
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:49,920
culture here but i would like to know

3097
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:52,080
more about the history of our culture

3098
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:53,440
cultural beginnings and more

3099
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:55,520
particularly of green women

3100
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:57,119
is this something you're uh you're

3101
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:59,520
familiar with sarah yeah absolutely so i

3102
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:01,119
would say if this person is living in

3103
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:02,719
england and is trying to like uh get

3104
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,000
more into kind of

3105
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:07,119
cultural um historical

3106
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,960
you know maybe uh practices of

3107
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:11,040
witchcraft there's a couple sources i

3108
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:13,040
would look into uh gemma gary

3109
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:14,320
is one of my favorite authors when it

3110
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:15,920
comes to traditional witchcraft she

3111
01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:17,199
lives in cornwall

3112
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:18,880
so she is mostly concerned with cornish

3113
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:20,320
witchcraft uh

3114
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,360
and i don't know if that's where this

3115
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:23,040
person is living but and i know that

3116
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:24,159
cornwall is kind of

3117
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,920
you know ethically culturally a little

3118
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:27,520
separate from the rest of england

3119
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:28,800
but i would say that's a really great

3120
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:30,639
place to start is looking into gemma

3121
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,199
gary

3122
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,520
and her uh her writings i think

3123
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:35,600
traditional witchcraft uh furnished book

3124
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:37,199
of ways is like her biggest book but

3125
01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:39,280
then she has a lot of other books about

3126
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:41,119
uh like the devil's dozen is another

3127
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:42,880
really great text uh she's someone to

3128
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:43,679
check out

3129
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,600
there's also the museum of witchcraft in

3130
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:47,520
boss castle england which is like i want

3131
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,040
to go to so badly

3132
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:51,119
i am not sure if they're open right now

3133
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,920
but the people who own that museum

3134
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:55,679
have a lot of books that they've

3135
01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:58,719
published um there's a

3136
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:01,920
graham king i believe is a big uh

3137
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,520
person who works out of there and graham

3138
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:05,199
king has written a lot of great books on

3139
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:06,239
english magic

3140
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:08,480
um this is kind of my wheelhouse too is

3141
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:10,320
english magic specifically so i kill you

3142
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:11,440
um

3143
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,679
out scarlet and print

3144
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:17,600
they're not only witchcraft they're also

3145
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:18,719
you know paganism

3146
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,560
and occultism in general but they're a

3147
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:22,560
book publisher out of the uk and they're

3148
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:23,920
one of my favorite book publishers

3149
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:25,040
they've written some of my favorite

3150
01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:25,600
books

3151
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:27,920
uh so the scarlet imprint is an amazing

3152
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,360
resource to check out

3153
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:31,199
and um i think they do events there i

3154
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:32,400
don't know what events are going on in

3155
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:33,920
england right now but

3156
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:35,280
uh they might be doing events in the

3157
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:37,040
future so keep an eye out if they do

3158
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,000
because peter gray

3159
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,320
is amazing and uh kiss this is amazing

3160
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,960
and um apocalyptic witchcraft that he

3161
01:42:45,669 --> 01:42:44,400
wrote a while ago just kind of blew

3162
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:45,679
witchcraft wide open

3163
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:48,239
so check those out um and in terms of

3164
01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:49,360
green women

3165
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:51,679
um it's very interesting right because

3166
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:53,920
it's like the green man archetype is

3167
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:56,320
very much kind of like pan or the

3168
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,320
generative force of um

3169
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:00,960
like the male generative force of nature

3170
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:03,360
i'm not as familiar with green women

3171
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:05,840
being a thing historically but i think

3172
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:06,960
that that's because there's

3173
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,239
there's historically been kind of a

3174
01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:10,080
dichotomy between like mother

3175
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:12,239
nature and then the kind of more active

3176
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:14,239
uh characters of mother nature like the

3177
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:15,040
green man

3178
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:18,400
the devil that kind of thing um which is

3179
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:20,239
you know kind of are the green women in

3180
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:21,199
a way because they're the ones

3181
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:22,800
fornicating with the devil

3182
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:25,280
and that and that uh and you know

3183
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:26,719
there's probably other

3184
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,239
um local local spirits and local

3185
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:32,639
legends where you live so you know check

3186
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:34,480
out the local historical society in your

3187
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:35,600
area and

3188
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,040
and poke around and see what you can

3189
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:39,040
find awesome

3190
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:40,719
yeah green women it's a myth in the

3191
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:43,920
making we're starting it right now

3192
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,199
your own green woman yeah yeah exactly

3193
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:50,000
be your own green woman okay um sean on

3194
01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:51,280
twitter asks

3195
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,600
is the practice of witchcraft different

3196
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:55,600
than someone born into a family of

3197
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:57,040
witches in other words

3198
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:59,119
is witchcraft a learned ability or do

3199
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,239
you just have it

3200
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:02,639
um i guess kind of like you know being

3201
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,880
born with a superpower or something

3202
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,800
the understanding of witches is starkly

3203
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:08,000
different throughout the world and i

3204
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,520
wonder if there are any deeper

3205
01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:10,800
connections um

3206
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:12,800
so yeah can you be born with these

3207
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:14,800
abilities or is it something learned or

3208
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:15,520
i'm sure it's

3209
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:18,480
everything yeah i i like to liken it to

3210
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,679
um to music

3211
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:21,360
and how some people are just naturally

3212
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:23,600
very talented at music

3213
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:24,880
or any sort of thing but you know like

3214
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:26,880
if you use it as an example some people

3215
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:27,920
they pick up a guitar

3216
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:29,520
and you know in a couple minutes even if

3217
01:44:31,189 --> 01:44:30,800
they don't haven't been taught how to

3218
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:31,199
play it

3219
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,560
they'll just be naturally very good at

3220
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:35,199
it and some people have to practice so

3221
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:37,040
hard and have to have to go to a million

3222
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:38,560
classes and then they can

3223
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,960
they can barely make like one tune out

3224
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:42,239
or one melody out but they can

3225
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:44,000
technically learn how to play the guitar

3226
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:45,360
i think the magic is kind of

3227
01:44:48,709 --> 01:44:47,119
yeah that's me i'm terrible oh my god

3228
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:48,719
i'm awful

3229
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,800
so yeah like that that's also be with

3230
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:52,719
math like anything math related i'm like

3231
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:54,480
i got into magic because i don't

3232
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:56,719
i'm not good at math like don't yeah we

3233
01:45:01,750 --> 01:44:58,080
are definitely

3234
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:01,760
both leos yeah same um so yeah i for me

3235
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:02,800
um

3236
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:05,119
for me i think magic can be done by

3237
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:06,480
anybody i think if somebody tells you

3238
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:08,000
you can't do magic

3239
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:09,840
pay them no mind um because they don't

3240
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:11,119
know what they're talking about uh

3241
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:12,960
anyone could do magic we all do magic

3242
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:14,639
all the time without knowing it

3243
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:17,280
uh it's about learning how to do it it's

3244
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:18,320
about like

3245
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:19,679
you know the [\h__\h] for me the fundamental

3246
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,880
thing about magic is thoughts are

3247
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,679
causative

3248
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:23,199
it's like the fundamental truth that i

3249
01:45:26,229 --> 01:45:24,639
think we can say across magical

3250
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:26,239
disciplines right

3251
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:27,920
across the world uh thoughts are

3252
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:30,400
causative and once you understand that

3253
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:32,159
there's a lot of ways that you can

3254
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:33,760
practice that and

3255
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:37,040
uh come into greater uh understanding

3256
01:45:42,629 --> 01:45:39,119
and and uh strength in that

3257
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:42,639
so for you meditating for 10 hours a day

3258
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:44,239
might be your flavor

3259
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:46,000
but also maybe that does nothing for you

3260
01:45:49,350 --> 01:45:48,000
and maybe it's you're more ecstatic and

3261
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:49,360
you have to dance and you have to get

3262
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:50,639
out and do stuff or

3263
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:52,080
maybe you're more of a bookworm maybe

3264
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:53,920
you're more experiential like whatever

3265
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:55,679
it is like find the way that works for

3266
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:57,119
you to learn this stuff i definitely

3267
01:46:02,629 --> 01:45:58,960
don't think you have to be born into it

3268
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:02,639
in order to do it um in terms of

3269
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:05,040
global things about witchcraft yeah it's

3270
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:05,679
it's

3271
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:08,400
historically witchcraft is not a good

3272
01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:08,960
thing

3273
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:11,760
which craft is bad uh they are the women

3274
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,520
the harpies in the forest who are coming

3275
01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:15,840
to steal your baby and curse your crops

3276
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:18,560
and lay siege to your village like it's

3277
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:20,480
not historically been a good thing and

3278
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:22,560
in most of the world it is still not a

3279
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:24,800
good thing to be a witch or associated

3280
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:26,080
with witchcraft

3281
01:46:30,229 --> 01:46:27,760
um so that's where i do sometimes

3282
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:30,239
differentiate witchcraft from folk magic

3283
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:31,760
because historically there was that

3284
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:32,639
divide

3285
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:34,159
uh like a lot of the people we look at

3286
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:35,760
historically and say that's a witch like

3287
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:37,119
they're doing witchcraft they probably

3288
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:38,800
wouldn't call themselves a witch or very

3289
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:40,639
rarely call themselves a witch

3290
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:43,040
um but i think that there's a lot to be

3291
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:43,760
said for

3292
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:45,920
um like i said earlier which is the

3293
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:47,760
which begins where the priest ends

3294
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:51,520
all spiritual and medical and scientific

3295
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:54,560
and um uh you know

3296
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:56,800
a cultural knowledge that is not stored

3297
01:47:01,109 --> 01:46:58,320
in kind of the mainstream

3298
01:47:01,430 --> 01:47:01,119
is stored in uh the witches and stored

3299
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:01,440
in

3300
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:03,920
folk magic practitioners who keep those

3301
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:05,679
prayers the stories and the knowledge

3302
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:07,520
alive so that's i think a very a very

3303
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:08,159
common

3304
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:11,440
cultural trope across the globe gotcha

3305
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:14,480
okay um all right so our last

3306
01:47:18,629 --> 01:47:16,320
listener question here is from brian on

3307
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:18,639
facebook and this is something we didn't

3308
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,280
touch on

3309
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:21,280
um i completely forgot to ask you about

3310
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:23,440
this is dream magic

3311
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:25,280
have you ever done any magic work that

3312
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:26,480
involves visiting

3313
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:28,880
people in their dreams or have you ever

3314
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,960
been visited in a dream by someone

3315
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,639
that you were sure was projecting

3316
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:34,480
themselves into your mind

3317
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:36,080
and then sort of the second part of the

3318
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:38,480
question what are the mechanics of this

3319
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:40,080
as far as you know and how do you view

3320
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:41,360
the ethics

3321
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:43,040
of projecting yourself into someone's

3322
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,679
dream without their prior consent

3323
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:47,760
wow this is this there's a lot to unpack

3324
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:50,480
here for sure the ethics of dream magic

3325
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:52,560
magic oh that's a whole conversation

3326
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:54,480
right there get my

3327
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,790
so uh in terms of magical x what i was

3328
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:03,440
saying earlier about how magic

3329
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:05,920
is not or like the witchcraft has not

3330
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,560
historically

3331
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:08,960
been seen as a good thing i think that

3332
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:10,880
sometimes there are ideas about like

3333
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:12,800
consent being violated that go along

3334
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:14,159
with that right that you're doing magic

3335
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,679
on other people without their consent

3336
01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:16,960
that's historically what witchcraft is

3337
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:19,040
kind of about for her for worse right

3338
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:21,040
if you're feeling somebody without their

3339
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:22,960
no knowledge like is that so bad like is

3340
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:24,639
that a bad thing

3341
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,560
without them knowing um around without

3342
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:28,400
them consenting that's like a whole

3343
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:30,320
bigger conversation to get into

3344
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:33,520
but uh you know a lot of magic

3345
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:35,679
is done without other people knowing

3346
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:36,800
that you're doing magic

3347
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:39,199
to them uh that's that's part of like

3348
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:40,560
what a lot of witchcraft is is the

3349
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:41,760
secrecy of it

3350
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:43,280
uh that you don't know you don't want

3351
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,960
your boss to know that you're binding

3352
01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:46,080
them so they don't fire

3353
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:47,360
you like you don't want them to know

3354
01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:49,119
that [\h__\h] uh because it's not their

3355
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:50,320
business quite frankly

3356
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:52,159
so right but it's like um so there's

3357
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:54,159
there's kind of there's degrees right

3358
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:55,520
and then when it comes to love magic

3359
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:57,199
that's like a whole other conversation

3360
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:57,840
right

3361
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:01,119
uh but with dream magic so

3362
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:04,880
i i do a lot of dream magic but for me

3363
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:05,679
dream magic

3364
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:08,960
is um i

3365
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:11,679
i record my dreams like when i wake up i

3366
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:13,360
try to keep a record of my dreams and i

3367
01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:14,880
try to keep a dream journal or a dream

3368
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:16,560
vlog of some sort because i do think

3369
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:17,119
that there is

3370
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:19,440
usually like wisdom or i think like

3371
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:20,639
spirit guides

3372
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:22,239
other people that are coming through in

3373
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:24,080
my dreams and

3374
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:25,840
kind of like there's a texture

3375
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:27,360
difference that i think i can tell i

3376
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:28,159
don't know if people

3377
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:30,000
know what i'm talking about but for me

3378
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:31,280
there are dreams that feel like just

3379
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,880
dreams where it's like okay i watched

3380
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:34,239
this movie last night and now i'm

3381
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:35,840
dreaming i'm in that movie like that's

3382
01:49:38,470 --> 01:49:36,800
what that dream is

3383
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:38,480
i can understand that but then there are

3384
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:40,480
dreams where you just

3385
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,719
know that it's different like the vibe

3386
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:44,639
is just completely different it's like

3387
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,159
touching silk as opposed to touching

3388
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:48,560
velvet right that's how i liken it

3389
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:51,440
um so i think uh dream magic can be very

3390
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:52,400
difficult to do

3391
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:54,000
because it's you're doing it when you're

3392
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:55,840
unconscious but i think that the more

3393
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:57,360
conscious you get like the more you

3394
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:58,880
write down your dreams the more you will

3395
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,480
be able to remember your dreams

3396
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:02,159
therefore the better that you will be at

3397
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:03,840
lucid dreaming the better you'll be at

3398
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:04,320
doing

3399
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:06,400
active magic in your dreams i'm still

3400
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:07,679
not at the point where i'm

3401
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:09,520
completely lucid in my dreams but i have

3402
01:50:12,229 --> 01:50:10,960
gotten to the point where in my dream if

3403
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:12,239
i don't like something i can know that

3404
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:13,599
i'm dreaming and like go over to a

3405
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:14,719
different room or go to a different

3406
01:50:18,070 --> 01:50:15,760
scenario

3407
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:18,080
so that's i have gotten i have i can

3408
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,840
from personal experience i can attest

3409
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:21,520
that you can get better at dreaming

3410
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:23,199
by by recording your dreams and being

3411
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:25,840
conscious about it um

3412
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,560
i believe that i have had people project

3413
01:50:32,709 --> 01:50:30,400
into my dreams without getting too

3414
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:32,719
into it i have definitely had some like

3415
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:34,880
bad breakups where i have like seen

3416
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:37,920
i'd like get out of my [\h__\h] head you

3417
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:38,239
you

3418
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:40,719
ex of mine like i've definitely had that

3419
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:42,239
happen to me before and i don't know if

3420
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:43,840
they're meaning to do it uh i don't

3421
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:44,719
think they were

3422
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:46,159
but i'm just like oh my god you're still

3423
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:48,560
here um you know so there's there's

3424
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:49,679
parts where i'm like i

3425
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:51,280
i can definitely see that that's kind of

3426
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:53,440
happened uh i have not

3427
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:55,280
really projected myself into other

3428
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:56,639
people's dreams

3429
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,239
there is um at least without

3430
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:02,960
i've never consciously done that a big

3431
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:04,800
thing that occult practitioner like

3432
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:05,599
friends of mine

3433
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:07,760
and myself will do is if i this is kind

3434
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:09,679
of just an unspoken rule that we have

3435
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:12,080
but if i ever see any fellow witches or

3436
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:14,000
anybody in my dream i always tell them

3437
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:15,280
i'm like okay you were in my dream last

3438
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:16,400
night and this happened

3439
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:18,480
i think you need to know this because to

3440
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:20,159
me that's kind of a sign like

3441
01:51:23,109 --> 01:51:21,760
like that's just a good thing it's just

3442
01:51:24,470 --> 01:51:23,119
good to tell people that they were in

3443
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:24,480
your dreams because what if that's

3444
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,280
important

3445
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:27,679
usually in my experience it is like i

3446
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:28,480
had a friend

3447
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,400
uh who was a practitioner down in new

3448
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:32,560
orleans and i had a very weird dream

3449
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:33,199
where he

3450
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:36,560
was there and uh there was a like

3451
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:38,320
serial killer outside the door who

3452
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:39,679
wanted to talk to him

3453
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:42,159
and i was like this just feels weird and

3454
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:43,760
i literally woke up in the middle of the

3455
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:45,679
night and i texted him and i was like

3456
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:47,440
don't trust anybody you talk to right

3457
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:49,040
now like if there is a guy if you're

3458
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:50,560
like walking around and there's a guy

3459
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:51,199
like

3460
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:55,360
happened in my dream

3461
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:57,280
and he literally called me and was like

3462
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:58,960
the second you texted me that somebody

3463
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:00,800
came up and asked me for a light

3464
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:03,520
and like on on a cigarette and like

3465
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,679
later when i got back home like that guy

3466
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:07,760
like started a fight with someone and

3467
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:08,800
like

3468
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:10,800
oh so talk to your talk about your

3469
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:12,320
dreams with your friends if they're in

3470
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:13,599
if they're in your dreams

3471
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:17,440
um sorry i'm totally rambling now

3472
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:20,320
uh no no no that's really interesting

3473
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:20,960
yeah

3474
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:23,280
i'd say a good tech good tech to check

3475
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:24,639
out if you're trying to get better at

3476
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:25,360
dream magic

3477
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:28,560
is look up um icelandic runes there's a

3478
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:29,599
lot of icelandic

3479
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:32,239
runic magic to do with dreams and lucid

3480
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:32,960
dreaming

3481
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:34,480
and seeing people in dreams and

3482
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:36,000
projecting into dreams

3483
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:37,920
uh it's all pretty available online but

3484
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:39,360
there's there's a lot of resources out

3485
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:40,239
there about that

3486
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,719
but there are uh there are runic staffs

3487
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,040
that can be used for dream magic that i

3488
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:47,520
have been looking into a lot recently so

3489
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:49,599
check out icelandic magic if you are

3490
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:51,199
looking for a good way in for dream

3491
01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:51,679
magic

3492
01:52:55,189 --> 01:52:53,360
because there's a lot of it a lot of it

3493
01:52:58,229 --> 01:52:55,199
there interesting

3494
01:53:01,589 --> 01:52:58,239
yeah i know we could do a whole probably

3495
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:01,599
another two hours on that yeah

3496
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,599
i'm sure it would lead to freddy krueger

3497
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,280
somehow too i don't know

3498
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:07,520
well that's the whole cover like he's a

3499
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:08,480
tulpa

3500
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:11,520
probably and yeah

3501
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:14,480
um yeah well let's do it let's start

3502
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:15,599
with another two hours

3503
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:22,310
something else in a couple hours like

3504
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:23,920
you know let's go

3505
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:30,790
[Laughter]

3506
01:53:42,629 --> 01:53:39,270
um oh okay so um halloween

3507
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:42,639
i mean the the uh pumpkin in the room i

3508
01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:43,119
guess

3509
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:46,080
uh while you know it's kind of it's

3510
01:53:50,229 --> 01:53:47,920
gonna be a weird halloween for a lot of

3511
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:50,239
you know adolescents and whatnot not

3512
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:51,280
trick-or-treating

3513
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:53,360
and um a lot of traditions are gonna

3514
01:53:57,430 --> 01:53:55,520
change just like yeah

3515
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:57,440
i'll just be honest it's gonna [\h__\h]

3516
01:54:01,030 --> 01:53:58,639
suck

3517
01:54:01,830 --> 01:54:01,040
but that doesn't mean that there's not

3518
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:01,840
other ways

3519
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:04,400
and i'm sure as a a witchcraft

3520
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,440
practitioner

3521
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:07,199
there are certain things you do during

3522
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:09,199
this special time

3523
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:11,920
of the year seasonally um yeah what does

3524
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:13,360
halloween mean to you as

3525
01:54:18,629 --> 01:54:16,719
as a person who practices witchcraft

3526
01:54:19,910 --> 01:54:18,639
do you have any special like rituals or

3527
01:54:21,669 --> 01:54:19,920
traditions

3528
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:21,679
yeah so it's so this is one of those

3529
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:23,280
things that very much changed when they

3530
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:24,880
moved to new york right because

3531
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:28,239
again uh in the past it was

3532
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:29,679
um so a lot of people will say that

3533
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:31,679
samhain or halloween is like the witch's

3534
01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:32,560
new year

3535
01:54:35,589 --> 01:54:34,080
the way that i kind of look at it is

3536
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:35,599
that i don't think of it as the new year

3537
01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:37,119
i just think of it as the end of the

3538
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:37,520
year

3539
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:39,119
like i think of it as the actual like

3540
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:41,360
death of the year and i don't see things

3541
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:42,480
kind of starting up again

3542
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:45,119
until like may i just think that the the

3543
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:47,040
winter months belong to the dead that is

3544
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:48,560
not that is not the time for the living

3545
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,480
like that's just time for

3546
01:54:54,149 --> 01:54:52,159
other other beings kind of take over the

3547
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:54,159
world for those three months and then

3548
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:56,000
uh the living take it back over with

3549
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:57,520
beltane that's how i always kind of

3550
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:58,320
historically

3551
01:55:01,669 --> 01:55:00,560
uh understood it because that was what

3552
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,679
was happening in the land

3553
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:03,840
like the there's nothing is alive right

3554
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,719
now right

3555
01:55:08,629 --> 01:55:06,719
uh and all of a sudden you know you have

3556
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:08,639
to kind of get used to that and like uh

3557
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:10,080
have to work with that in a different

3558
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:12,560
way um in new york

3559
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:14,800
it's become much more about ancestry

3560
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:16,239
it's not so much about the

3561
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:19,119
the harvest the death of the year uh the

3562
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:20,960
embrace of kind of

3563
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:24,000
you know the kind of winter spirit

3564
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:26,239
um it has become a little bit more

3565
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:28,639
focused on ancestor practices

3566
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:31,679
um you know uh i do a daily practice

3567
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:33,360
like i said with my ancestors where i

3568
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:34,880
leave like a glass of water for them i

3569
01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:36,800
kind of have made halloween into more of

3570
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:37,760
a time where

3571
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:39,599
i do a bigger kind of honoring of my

3572
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:40,880
ancestors like i'll leave out bigger

3573
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:41,760
offerings

3574
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:43,920
i will uh i'll say you know longer

3575
01:55:46,629 --> 01:55:46,159
prayers that kind of thing uh that's

3576
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:46,639
what i

3577
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:48,480
i do personally and how i kind of

3578
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:50,080
reckoned with it of like a holiday for

3579
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,119
the dead

3580
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:53,440
i think for people this year uh if

3581
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:54,400
they're i mean

3582
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:57,040
uh death is very close to all of us now

3583
01:56:01,189 --> 01:55:58,159
in a way that it has not

3584
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:01,199
been maybe in a very long time uh

3585
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,280
you know the red death has come upon the

3586
01:56:06,790 --> 01:56:04,639
land and

3587
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:06,800
there's uh yeah a lot of people this

3588
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:08,320
year have lost something it doesn't

3589
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:09,840
necessarily have to be a loved one or

3590
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:11,119
somebody that you know

3591
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:14,480
but we've all lost a job or money

3592
01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:18,080
or time or a relationship or

3593
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:21,280
a dream or or yeah or a loved one like

3594
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:22,800
we've all lost something this year

3595
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:26,080
so i would say though it is not fun

3596
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:28,800
maybe take some time this halloween to

3597
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:30,719
embrace the dead a little bit

3598
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:33,040
and make some time to actually actively

3599
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:34,400
mourn the dead

3600
01:56:37,910 --> 01:56:36,719
and mourn what you have lost this year

3601
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:37,920
because we've all lost

3602
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:40,719
something so uh yeah i would say this

3603
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:42,560
halloween really make it about the dead

3604
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:43,760
because that's what this year has been

3605
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:45,440
about and if there's no one to pray for

3606
01:56:50,229 --> 01:56:47,599
the dead they hang out and they linger

3607
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:50,239
and we don't want that so make some time

3608
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:51,760
to say a little prayer for those things

3609
01:56:54,070 --> 01:56:53,360
that have passed and get them to move

3610
01:56:55,830 --> 01:56:54,080
along

3611
01:56:57,589 --> 01:56:55,840
because we're entering into a new world

3612
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:57,599
and we want this old one kind of

3613
01:57:00,950 --> 01:57:00,400
rushed out yeah i love that yeah i mean

3614
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:00,960
i'm

3615
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:07,520
the play um the history boys

3616
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:10,400
um where i believe it was the professor

3617
01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:11,520
at the time

3618
01:57:18,310 --> 01:57:14,960
said the best way to forget something

3619
01:57:20,830 --> 01:57:18,320
is to commemorate it and i i get that

3620
01:57:21,990 --> 01:57:20,840
it's like yeah it's a way of um sort of

3621
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,000
symbologizing

3622
01:57:26,709 --> 01:57:24,880
a person but it's not that person so

3623
01:57:30,070 --> 01:57:26,719
you're not really remembering them

3624
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:30,080
um as a person who had been

3625
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:32,880
immortal at one point and now isn't so i

3626
01:57:36,870 --> 01:57:35,040
like that idea of taking the time to

3627
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:36,880
mourn and actually like

3628
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:39,520
work through that and remember someone i

3629
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:40,000
mean i

3630
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:43,040
i i saw a photo you posted recently on

3631
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:44,480
your instagram of

3632
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:47,760
a child and this photo was in an

3633
01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:50,800
antique store and like was just cast

3634
01:57:54,790 --> 01:57:51,520
away

3635
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:54,800
to be forgotten and then bought but that

3636
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:55,920
was a person

3637
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:58,719
yeah you found him so and that's what

3638
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:00,800
it's about like the the person

3639
01:58:04,149 --> 01:58:03,040
you know we've all if there's anything

3640
01:58:07,270 --> 01:58:04,159
we all have in common

3641
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:07,280
it's we're all gonna die so i mean that

3642
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:08,800
let's look at it that way yeah

3643
01:58:11,990 --> 01:58:09,840
you know the thing i love about

3644
01:58:13,430 --> 01:58:12,000
halloween is you know you look at other

3645
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:13,440
holidays and you look at other

3646
01:58:18,149 --> 01:58:16,080
times of the year and not only are they

3647
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:18,159
the emphasis is very much on be happy

3648
01:58:21,109 --> 01:58:19,280
god damn it like

3649
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:21,119
it's christmas time why aren't you happy

3650
01:58:24,149 --> 01:58:22,800
um it's you know not only is it very

3651
01:58:25,990 --> 01:58:24,159
like toxically happy

3652
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:26,000
but um there's a modernization that i

3653
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:26,960
think has happened with a lot of

3654
01:58:31,350 --> 01:58:28,960
holidays like it's very easy to bring

3655
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:31,360
uh other you know other holidays and

3656
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:33,199
other traditions into the modern world

3657
01:58:36,550 --> 01:58:35,520
look at halloween it's like we're

3658
01:58:38,950 --> 01:58:36,560
carving

3659
01:58:40,709 --> 01:58:38,960
gourds and we're putting out pump we're

3660
01:58:42,229 --> 01:58:40,719
putting out skeletons

3661
01:58:44,709 --> 01:58:42,239
and there are witches and there are

3662
01:58:45,510 --> 01:58:44,719
crows and there are vampires there's all

3663
01:58:47,510 --> 01:58:45,520
these like

3664
01:58:49,430 --> 01:58:47,520
legends and demons it's like all of the

3665
01:58:51,510 --> 01:58:49,440
all of the things from the past suddenly

3666
01:58:53,189 --> 01:58:51,520
come back in this very real way

3667
01:58:55,589 --> 01:58:53,199
and to me that's like what makes it so

3668
01:59:00,229 --> 01:58:55,599
special right is it's all the

3669
01:59:02,070 --> 01:59:00,239
all the spooky creepy dark eerie stuff

3670
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,080
has its day right where it's like no no

3671
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:04,080
no we're here all the time but this is

3672
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:06,480
our time like this is our time to shine

3673
01:59:09,830 --> 01:59:08,719
like you're gonna be dead one day you're

3674
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:09,840
gonna you're gonna be

3675
01:59:14,550 --> 01:59:12,800
in this one day uh life is not all happy

3676
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:14,560
it is filled with monsters there are

3677
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:16,320
monsters all around us and this is like

3678
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:17,920
the day to celebrate that

3679
01:59:21,109 --> 01:59:19,840
and i think that there's like i don't

3680
01:59:22,950 --> 01:59:21,119
know i i hope

3681
01:59:25,109 --> 01:59:22,960
in this time of cobid we can maybe look

3682
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:25,119
around at these symbols of halloween

3683
01:59:29,990 --> 01:59:28,080
the um where halloween comes from maybe

3684
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:30,000
embrace some of that traditional

3685
01:59:32,950 --> 01:59:31,360
sort of looking at the holiday of like

3686
01:59:34,229 --> 01:59:32,960
yeah this is a [\h__\h] holiday of death

3687
01:59:35,350 --> 01:59:34,239
and we just went through a [\h__\h]

3688
01:59:38,310 --> 01:59:35,360
pandemic and we're

3689
01:59:40,390 --> 01:59:38,320
still in it like there it's it is a

3690
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:40,400
holiday about monsters and my god are

3691
01:59:44,149 --> 01:59:42,080
there monsters out there right now

3692
01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:44,159
like there's something i think um that

3693
01:59:46,870 --> 01:59:46,000
halloween teaches us to embrace about

3694
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:46,880
all of this and

3695
01:59:50,629 --> 01:59:48,880
reckon with that i think could be really

3696
01:59:51,910 --> 01:59:50,639
powerful to tap into for people this

3697
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:51,920
year

3698
01:59:55,750 --> 01:59:54,639
yeah that's awesome yeah just yeah

3699
01:59:58,709 --> 01:59:55,760
embrace it yeah

3700
02:00:02,870 --> 01:59:58,719
do the uh do the skeleton dance come on

3701
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:04,870
it's that it's our time like if you're

3702
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:06,159
looking yeah

3703
02:00:13,030 --> 02:00:09,599
and this is our time yep absolutely

3704
02:00:15,750 --> 02:00:13,040
yeah um awesome sir well hey

3705
02:00:16,229 --> 02:00:15,760
we can't let you go without talking

3706
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:16,239
about

3707
02:00:21,189 --> 02:00:19,280
where people can get the book and um

3708
02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:21,199
and i guess kind of yeah wrapping up

3709
02:00:25,189 --> 02:00:22,560
with both the book and

3710
02:00:26,070 --> 02:00:25,199
your work what's like the one thing you

3711
02:00:29,669 --> 02:00:26,080
want to get across

3712
02:00:32,390 --> 02:00:29,679
to people when it comes to um

3713
02:00:33,669 --> 02:00:32,400
looking into witchcraft if they want to

3714
02:00:35,109 --> 02:00:33,679
get involved

3715
02:00:37,109 --> 02:00:35,119
whether it's through witchcraft or

3716
02:00:38,709 --> 02:00:37,119
activism or both

3717
02:00:40,310 --> 02:00:38,719
what's the one thing you want people to

3718
02:00:42,709 --> 02:00:40,320
really take away from what you're trying

3719
02:00:45,910 --> 02:00:42,719
to put out in the world

3720
02:00:49,990 --> 02:00:45,920
i think uh hmm that's a good question

3721
02:00:54,070 --> 02:00:50,000
wow um i think that for witchcraft

3722
02:00:56,550 --> 02:00:54,080
and magic and those types of things um

3723
02:00:57,589 --> 02:00:56,560
don't don't listen to the gatekeepers

3724
02:00:59,189 --> 02:00:57,599
you can do this

3725
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:59,199
they don't feel like you have to buy a

3726
02:01:02,550 --> 02:01:00,719
bunch of stuff or you have to take

3727
02:01:04,070 --> 02:01:02,560
a thousand classes or you have to follow

3728
02:01:06,229 --> 02:01:04,080
a guru like

3729
02:01:07,669 --> 02:01:06,239
read go and read the books that you need

3730
02:01:09,350 --> 02:01:07,679
to read i'd say

3731
02:01:11,030 --> 02:01:09,360
if you can't get your hands if you're

3732
02:01:12,470 --> 02:01:11,040
like maybe young and you have to have

3733
02:01:12,950 --> 02:01:12,480
your parents buy books for you if you're

3734
02:01:15,189 --> 02:01:12,960
like

3735
02:01:16,709 --> 02:01:15,199
i don't know if you don't have access to

3736
02:01:17,750 --> 02:01:16,719
a bunch of like witchcraft books or you

3737
02:01:18,229 --> 02:01:17,760
don't know what to wear to start with

3738
02:01:19,910 --> 02:01:18,239
those

3739
02:01:21,830 --> 02:01:19,920
go read a book on folklore go read a

3740
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:21,840
book on mythology all the real [\h__\h] is

3741
02:01:24,790 --> 02:01:23,520
gonna be there and you can and you can

3742
02:01:26,790 --> 02:01:24,800
branch out from there

3743
02:01:27,910 --> 02:01:26,800
uh read books on herbalism on on

3744
02:01:30,229 --> 02:01:27,920
geography like

3745
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:30,239
that's that's just as witchy as any

3746
02:01:35,350 --> 02:01:32,400
actual witchcraft book that is out there

3747
02:01:36,070 --> 02:01:35,360
um so you know go go out and find that

3748
02:01:37,669 --> 02:01:36,080
stuff and

3749
02:01:39,589 --> 02:01:37,679
and just let it like find something that

3750
02:01:41,430 --> 02:01:39,599
you like that are i'm passionate about

3751
02:01:43,030 --> 02:01:41,440
and let that guide you on the path and

3752
02:01:44,790 --> 02:01:43,040
just and just go from there

3753
02:01:46,310 --> 02:01:44,800
i think when it comes to politics i mean

3754
02:01:48,070 --> 02:01:46,320
i would say the same thing with politics

3755
02:01:49,589 --> 02:01:48,080
about magic that you actually have

3756
02:01:52,229 --> 02:01:49,599
incredible power like

3757
02:01:54,390 --> 02:01:52,239
we have incredible power uh the world

3758
02:01:54,790 --> 02:01:54,400
can be very different it is very pop

3759
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:54,800
like

3760
02:01:58,070 --> 02:01:56,560
we do not have to settle for the world

3761
02:01:59,830 --> 02:01:58,080
the way that it is

3762
02:02:01,189 --> 02:01:59,840
through magic through politics through

3763
02:02:03,109 --> 02:02:01,199
both of these things

3764
02:02:04,229 --> 02:02:03,119
we truly can change the world and we

3765
02:02:05,669 --> 02:02:04,239
truly can demand

3766
02:02:07,350 --> 02:02:05,679
the world that we deserve and i think

3767
02:02:08,229 --> 02:02:07,360
that we all have to become a lot more

3768
02:02:10,790 --> 02:02:08,239
comfortable

3769
02:02:12,709 --> 02:02:10,800
demanding that the world that we exist

3770
02:02:14,470 --> 02:02:12,719
in meet the expectations that we have

3771
02:02:15,669 --> 02:02:14,480
for it inside of ourselves and making

3772
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:15,679
that a reality

3773
02:02:19,430 --> 02:02:18,719
so um yeah go [\h__\h] [\h__\h] up with magic

3774
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:19,440
kids

3775
02:02:27,350 --> 02:02:23,920
my lawn i love it

3776
02:02:30,229 --> 02:02:27,360
um well okay so the book

3777
02:02:31,990 --> 02:02:30,239
really really hit me keenly sarah i have

3778
02:02:34,149 --> 02:02:32,000
to admit like i knew nothing about

3779
02:02:36,070 --> 02:02:34,159
it going in and now i feel like so much

3780
02:02:38,870 --> 02:02:36,080
was demystified for me

3781
02:02:40,550 --> 02:02:38,880
in terms of um what this plays in the

3782
02:02:42,390 --> 02:02:40,560
grand scheme of things so

3783
02:02:43,990 --> 02:02:42,400
um i have to thank you for the book

3784
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:44,000
where can we find the book

3785
02:02:47,830 --> 02:02:45,280
and i'm not letting you go before

3786
02:02:50,390 --> 02:02:47,840
talking about um the podcast

3787
02:02:52,390 --> 02:02:50,400
that you you're starting back up so yeah

3788
02:02:52,709 --> 02:02:52,400
go for it all my all my stuff so the

3789
02:02:54,390 --> 02:02:52,719
book

3790
02:02:55,990 --> 02:02:54,400
is revolutionary witchcraft a guide to

3791
02:02:57,510 --> 02:02:56,000
magical activism you can buy it through

3792
02:02:59,270 --> 02:02:57,520
the publisher running press

3793
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:59,280
you can buy it through your bookshop

3794
02:03:02,229 --> 02:03:00,480
which will help support your local

3795
02:03:04,629 --> 02:03:02,239
bookstores indie bound

3796
02:03:06,149 --> 02:03:04,639
uh you can buy it through there's a very

3797
02:03:07,830 --> 02:03:06,159
small company called amazon

3798
02:03:09,830 --> 02:03:07,840
that you may have heard of you can buy

3799
02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:09,840
it there uh if you don't want to buy it

3800
02:03:13,109 --> 02:03:11,520
on amazon just buy it somewhere else and

3801
02:03:15,189 --> 02:03:13,119
leave me a review on amazon because that

3802
02:03:17,430 --> 02:03:15,199
really helps small authors but um

3803
02:03:19,189 --> 02:03:17,440
yeah you could uh oh it's done really

3804
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:19,199
well in local bookstores so check out

3805
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:20,800
your local bookstore and see if

3806
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:22,880
it's there um because local bookstores

3807
02:03:26,149 --> 02:03:24,000
are really hurting right now

3808
02:03:28,390 --> 02:03:26,159
so try to try to buy it through so

3809
02:03:29,510 --> 02:03:28,400
support your local bookstores uh if you

3810
02:03:31,109 --> 02:03:29,520
don't have a local bookstore in your

3811
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:31,119
area buy through bookshop and give the

3812
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:32,400
money to a local bookstore somewhere

3813
02:03:35,350 --> 02:03:33,280
that you like

3814
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:35,360
uh for myself you can find me on

3815
02:03:39,270 --> 02:03:37,119
instagram at citymystic

3816
02:03:40,830 --> 02:03:39,280
on twitter um at underscore sarah

3817
02:03:49,109 --> 02:03:40,840
underscore alliance

3818
02:03:52,790 --> 02:03:52,390
i am starting up my own podcast uh it is

3819
02:03:56,229 --> 02:03:52,800
called

3820
02:03:59,510 --> 02:03:56,239
pop cults it is pop c v

3821
02:04:01,189 --> 02:03:59,520
lt so the v the u is a v um

3822
02:04:02,629 --> 02:04:01,199
it's my friend owen and i and we're just

3823
02:04:03,430 --> 02:04:02,639
gonna be talking about magic and

3824
02:04:06,629 --> 02:04:03,440
paranormal

3825
02:04:09,589 --> 02:04:06,639
stuff and culture and politics but from

3826
02:04:11,510 --> 02:04:09,599
a from a practitioner's perspective so

3827
02:04:13,030 --> 02:04:11,520
not just talking about magic as if it's

3828
02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:13,040
like a thing on a shelf somewhere but

3829
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:14,400
actually people who do it

3830
02:04:17,669 --> 02:04:16,239
and i'm really excited about that so

3831
02:04:19,750 --> 02:04:17,679
check out pop cult

3832
02:04:21,910 --> 02:04:19,760
and uh in terms of other things i am

3833
02:04:25,189 --> 02:04:21,920
also going to be doing a fundraiser

3834
02:04:26,629 --> 02:04:25,199
with uh sacramento dsa on october 30th

3835
02:04:28,390 --> 02:04:26,639
where we're going to be talking actually

3836
02:04:29,990 --> 02:04:28,400
about ufos and witches again

3837
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:30,000
so if you've liked this we're going to

3838
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:32,480
be talking about the sacramento

3839
02:04:39,430 --> 02:04:36,239
ufo flap of 1897.

3840
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:39,440
uh yeah so apparently there was a big uh

3841
02:04:42,470 --> 02:04:41,199
railroad strike that like changed

3842
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:42,480
california history

3843
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:44,719
and all these striking railroad workers

3844
02:04:49,109 --> 02:04:46,800
saw a bunch of ufos while they were

3845
02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:49,119
uh striking and it was like a huge thing

3846
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:50,880
and it was recorded in the local paper

3847
02:04:53,990 --> 02:04:52,480
and uh yeah so we're going to be talking

3848
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:54,000
about that and

3849
02:04:56,870 --> 02:04:55,440
i'm learning a lot about it i had no

3850
02:04:58,310 --> 02:04:56,880
idea this happened so if you're if you

3851
02:05:01,189 --> 02:04:58,320
want to learn more about

3852
02:05:04,069 --> 02:05:01,199
victorian ufo flaps uh tune in for that

3853
02:05:05,830 --> 02:05:04,079
on october 30th with sacramento dsa

3854
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:05,840
oh that's awesome i definitely want to

3855
02:05:09,350 --> 02:05:07,920
see that yeah yeah i'm not familiar with

3856
02:05:09,990 --> 02:05:09,360
that one that's pretty cool i feel like

3857
02:05:13,189 --> 02:05:10,000
i've

3858
02:05:15,109 --> 02:05:13,199
failed as a ufologist that's

3859
02:05:15,910 --> 02:05:15,119
so cool well apparently it's very i mean

3860
02:05:16,790 --> 02:05:15,920
this is a whole other thing but

3861
02:05:18,709 --> 02:05:16,800
apparently they

3862
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:18,719
they saw them as zeppelins in the sky

3863
02:05:23,030 --> 02:05:20,800
they didn't see them as airships yeah

3864
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:23,040
their ships yeah so very fascinating so

3865
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:24,320
if you want to learn more about uh

3866
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:28,320
unidentified flying airships then

3867
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:31,920
buffets yup all you steampunk

3868
02:05:37,990 --> 02:05:34,400
aficionados as well yep

3869
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:38,000
um i'm gonna um end here sarah with a

3870
02:05:41,910 --> 02:05:40,400
quote of yours that probably um

3871
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:41,920
kind of encapsulates everything we

3872
02:05:45,030 --> 02:05:43,599
talked about and that's um quote the

3873
02:05:47,430 --> 02:05:45,040
earth is under

3874
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:47,440
attack as witches we must speak the

3875
02:05:52,629 --> 02:05:49,760
words the dying earth cannot

3876
02:05:53,510 --> 02:05:52,639
and i think that just that says so much

3877
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:53,520
about

3878
02:05:57,030 --> 02:05:54,719
what we've been through throughout

3879
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:57,040
history and where we are today

3880
02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:59,280
and i think um with people like you

3881
02:06:02,709 --> 02:06:00,560
fighting that fight

3882
02:06:04,629 --> 02:06:02,719
and getting involved and actually

3883
02:06:08,229 --> 02:06:04,639
putting action to words

3884
02:06:09,430 --> 02:06:08,239
or spells or rituals um is where it's at

3885
02:06:11,189 --> 02:06:09,440
and i think um

3886
02:06:12,550 --> 02:06:11,199
if people can take anything from this

3887
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:12,560
today it's go

3888
02:06:16,790 --> 02:06:15,760
do something you know we all talk we all

3889
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:16,800
um

3890
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:18,960
get trapped in these echo chambers but

3891
02:06:21,910 --> 02:06:19,920
like

3892
02:06:23,669 --> 02:06:21,920
have the conversation but then go do

3893
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:23,679
something about it and i think

3894
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:27,040
our earth literal earth needs that now

3895
02:06:29,830 --> 02:06:28,239
more than ever so

3896
02:06:31,350 --> 02:06:29,840
i have to thank you for everything

3897
02:06:33,669 --> 02:06:31,360
you've done and uh

3898
02:06:35,510 --> 02:06:33,679
for coming on here today and talking

3899
02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:35,520
extensively about a topic that

3900
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:37,280
completely blows my mind and something i

3901
02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:37,920
want to

3902
02:06:42,069 --> 02:06:40,159
continue pursuing so thank you so much

3903
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:42,079
for coming on somewhere in the skies

3904
02:06:45,589 --> 02:06:43,520
this was so awesome thank you so much

3905
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:45,599
for having me on happy halloween

3906
02:06:49,350 --> 02:06:46,800
everyone

3907
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:49,360
yes happy halloween and uh this will not

3908
02:07:02,710 --> 02:06:51,119
be the last time i'm sure so

3909
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:06,550
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